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doi la gleki

You should know by now that even discussion of things that are important
for normal speech (mu'a zo carna) can become big and chaotic.

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:41 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote=
:

>
>
> On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:33:28 PM UTC+4, iesk wrote:
>>
>> I added some translations. However, I=92m sceptical of the possibility t=
hat
>> an anonymous spreadsheet combined with this here message board might lea=
d
>> to a quality-wise better phrasebook than Tatoeba, which is, in compariso=
n,
>> a very sophisticated environment. While Tatoeba is still very chaotic an=
d
>> not reliable in any scholarly sense, the simple fact that there=92s a co=
mment
>> area for each sentence does facilitate proofreading and serious discussi=
on
>> on details of translation, sometimes with enlightening results. Sorry, b=
ut
>> I don=92t understand how your file should lead to comparable, let alone
>> better results.
>>
>
> 1. Commenting IS possible for every cell of Google spreadsheet.
> 2. This phrasebook presents only sentences that are most important for
> normal speech. Therefore it won't be chaotic. No quotes from Shakespear o=
r
> something (although we might add such things on separate sheets but it
> would be a distinct project anyway).
> 3. It can also give situational dialogues which are largely absent in
> Tatoeba but which bear even more semantic meaning and integrity than simp=
le
> sentences.
>
>
>
>> -iesk
>>
>> Le samedi 8 septembre 2012 18:19:15 UTC+2, la gleki a =E9crit :
>>>
>>> Tatoeba proved to be of less significance due to low quality of
>>> translated sentences and the lack of opportunities to proofread them.
>>>
>>> So I created this file https://docs.google.com/**spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D=
**
>>> 0Ahngu1CNj7wddHBqSk9nT0JmcTJ2b**XcyLTFtTERZUnc<https://docs.google.com/=
spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0Ahngu1CNj7wddHBqSk9nT0JmcTJ2bXcyLTFtTERZUnc>
>>>
>>> I'm in the process of translating Lojban column.
>>> You are free to add
>>> 1. Rows for other useful phrases.
>>> 2. Columns for your native languages (so you are not even required to b=
e
>>> familiar with Lojban at all).
>>>
>>> Any feedback is welcome.
>>>
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doi la gleki<br><br>You should know by now that even discussion of things t=
hat are important for normal speech (mu&#39;a zo carna) can become big and =
chaotic.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:41 AM,=
 la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><br><br>On Wednesday, Sept=
ember 12, 2012 3:33:28 PM UTC+4, iesk wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">

I added some translations. However, I=92m sceptical of the possibility that=
 an anonymous spreadsheet combined with this here message board might lead =
to a quality-wise better phrasebook than Tatoeba, which is, in comparison, =
a very sophisticated environment. While Tatoeba is still very chaotic and n=
ot reliable in any scholarly sense, the simple fact that there=92s a commen=
t area for each sentence does facilitate proofreading and serious discussio=
n on details of translation, sometimes with enlightening results. Sorry, bu=
t I don=92t understand how your file should lead to comparable, let alone b=
etter results.<br>

</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>1. Commenting IS possible for every =
cell of Google spreadsheet.</div><div>2. This phrasebook presents only=A0se=
ntences that are=A0most important for normal speech. Therefore it won&#39;t=
 be chaotic. No quotes from Shakespear or something (although we might add =
such things on separate sheets but it would be a distinct project anyway).<=
/div>

<div>3. It can also give situational dialogues which are largely absent in =
Tatoeba but which bear even more semantic meaning and integrity than simple=
 sentences.</div><div class=3D"im"><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<br>-iesk<br><br>Le samedi 8 septembre 2012 18:19:15 UTC+2, la gleki a =E9c=
rit=A0:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Tatoeba proved to be of=
 less significance due to low quality of translated sentences and the lack =
of opportunities to proofread them.<br>

</div><div><br></div><div>So I created this file=A0<a href=3D"https://docs.=
google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0Ahngu1CNj7wddHBqSk9nT0JmcTJ2bXcyLTFtTERZU=
nc" target=3D"_blank">https://docs.google.com/<u></u>spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D=
<u></u>0Ahngu1CNj7wddHBqSk9nT0JmcTJ2b<u></u>XcyLTFtTERZUnc</a></div>

<br><div>I&#39;m in the process of translating Lojban column.</div><div>You=
 are free to add</div><div>1. Rows for other useful phrases.</div><div>2. C=
olumns for your native languages (so you are not even required to be famili=
ar with Lojban at all).</div>

<div><br></div><div>Any feedback is welcome.</div></blockquote></blockquote=
>

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