On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, la gle= ki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

When we say "I see you" we actually mean "I see you sta= nding/present in front of me/{co'e}/whatever".

I don't understand why you think "I see you&qu= ot; is short for a longer phrase, especially one that is too specific and o= ften simply not true.=A0

stevo

So {mi viska do} is just a handy emulat= ion of natlangs when it should really be expressed as {mi viska tu'a do= }. But as some lojbanists already do this illegal trick then let's make= it official.

Therefore=A0
{mi ganse lo du'u crino} - I= sense something as being green (i.e. I see it).
{mi ganse lo du&= #39;u lo cladu ku crino} -=A0=A0I sense some loud object as green (i.e. I s= ee it)

{mi ganse [tu'a] lo cladu}=A0=A0 - I sense some loud object = [nothing is said how I sense it, it's might be a synonym of the previou= s example].

So there is no conflict between th= e object and the type of sensing it.=A0In first case you use {tu'a} or = just drop it. In the second case you use {lo su'u/nu/du'u/...}

We have no gismu for TASTE ( {vrusi} has n= o place for experiencer) and TOUCH-FEEL ({pencu} is now what we need. when = i touch {ko'a} with a screwdriver i touch-feel the screwdriver but touc= h=A0{ko'a}=A0).

We would also need=A0to allow=A0in=A0{sumne2}=A0not only the object be= ing smelled but the type of smell and abstraction for the combination of th= e object and it's smell.
=A0

=A0
<= br>
On Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:37:26 AM UTC+4, Robin Powell wrot= e:
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 01:32:54PM -0700, djandus wrote:
> On Friday, November 18, 2011 3:48:51 PM UTC-6, xorxes wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > > This is really interesting stuff! =A0Can you make sure i= t
> > > appears on some appropriate BPFK page?
> > >
> > > I completely agree with you about zgana, and I'm inc= lined to
> > > agree with you about ganse; make sure they get notes in = the
> > > gismu setion please.
> > =A0
> > I'm not in much of a wiki-editing mood l= ately, so I'll leave
> > that to somepony else.
> >
> Dude, did this really never get done?

I linked to the thread on the gismu issues page, a few hours ago.

-Robin

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