Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:59141) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TCDER-000410-PY; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:29:51 -0700 Received: by vbzb23 with SMTP id b23sf745870vbz.16 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:29:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=dhFHsMtLgSZ0SmOHRYNFSoyKltLfu1c7gVEBJbcazzE=; b=gvv5a0Zv6gar1ZMpkGaXqbYfMweIzYqrHvw9AkyFhkNUwVqAu7tIFMNgMbIGGnai/z EBhQep1u8lqZt3X9NOQFqKkacu6n2XcY/cuBJ0VowpI+XvEHGvUpzx8k3l8Z9cbNN3bd aEAo16ZWlonif4w9v29HDmEiN+d+o9M9cp6h7WDT50yuCDZBjqNRPAUel0+F0fccMiJC smi7U64ws+fj6WjPclHlfTT2zv/fmF1Jyc9iHlJk74B+juTfpLx3ZYJLevV7TZh2odgd tYbKD2bybB+DrFPm+XWTND8i1ZxFx1bAc6tGtm59+Wp3lrmdqoqRzgmrJiKVuTStUUfq +zDg== Received: by 10.52.30.133 with SMTP id s5mr5141vdh.10.1347557372808; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:29:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.32.232 with SMTP id m8ls3077515vdi.8.gmail; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.236.39 with SMTP id ur7mr604985vec.25.1347557371955; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.236.39 with SMTP id ur7mr604984vec.25.1347557371938; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ef10si4579892vdb.3.2012.09.13.10.29.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.169; Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id fl17so1156723vcb.0 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.12.231 with SMTP id b7mr1876718vec.28.1347557371792; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.4.193 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ae40866-7970-44a5-a8f2-04059c54b4d5@googlegroups.com> References: <6156226.CIVSgyt8Ea@caracal> <8582c5b8-8417-4228-8408-8933bae6fbd2@googlegroups.com> <4ae40866-7970-44a5-a8f2-04059c54b4d5@googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:29:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {softo} From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b41bf3275cd5204c998a6f0 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b41bf3275cd5204c998a6f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No. It's simply that the default orthography for lojban is the one that I am using RIGHT NOW to type this letter, so it's convenient to refer to it as the lojban orthography or the Latin/romanji/Spanish/English/German, etc. orthography. If we were using tegwar, larlermorna, srilermorna, etc., we would need a different shift, with zai or ce'a.... ru'o is the shift for Cyrillic. --gejyspa On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, iesk wrote: > I take {softo} to correspond to something like 'pertaining to the > "Russosphere"', not (just) 'Soviet'. Since I don't know of any serious > usage of that word, I'm not sure what to do with it, however. > > Obviously the Cyrillic alphabet is not limited to that > culture/area/whatever. On the other hand, the Latin alphabet is not limited > to Latin -- is it {latmo} though? I don't know. > > (Even more off topic: I don't get {lo'a}. How can it (or could it, if it > were used) shift to the Lojban *slash* Latin alphabet? Do we not pretend > that they are not necessarily the same thing? Does {lo'a} shift to Cyrillic > in a Cyrillic Lojban text?) > > -iesk > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/Fjp-EIm3mJ4J. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --047d7b41bf3275cd5204c998a6f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0 =A0No. =A0It's simply that the default orthography= for lojban is the one that I am using RIGHT NOW to type this letter, so it= 's convenient to refer to it as the lojban orthography or the Latin/rom= anji/Spanish/English/German, etc. orthography. =A0If we were using tegwar, = larlermorna, srilermorna, etc., we would need a different shift, with zai o= r ce'a.... ru'o is the shift for Cyrillic.
=A0 =A0 --gejyspa


On= Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I take {softo} to correspond to something like 'pertaining to the "= ;Russosphere"', not (just) 'Soviet'. Since I don't kno= w of any serious usage of that word, I'm not sure what to do with it, h= owever.

Obviously the Cyrillic alphabet is not limited to that culture/area/whateve= r. On the other hand, the Latin alphabet is not limited to Latin -- is it {= latmo} though? I don't know.

(Even more off topic: I don't get {lo'a}. How can it (or could it, = if it were used) shift to the Lojban *slash* Latin alphabet? Do we not pret= end that they are not necessarily the same thing? Does {lo'a} shift to = Cyrillic in a Cyrillic Lojban text?)

-iesk

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