= On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, la gleki <glek= i.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

When we say "I see you" w= e actually mean "I see you standing/present in front of me/{co'e}/whatever"= .

I don't understand why you think "I see you" is short f= or a longer phrase, especially one that is too specific and often simply no= t true.

I just think the = sentence "I want [to eat] an apple" is somewhat parallel to "I see you [sta= nding]". If in the first one we must use {tu'a} then the same should be tru= e for the second sentence.

stevo

So {mi viska do} is just a handy emulat= ion of natlangs when it should really be expressed as {mi viska tu'a do}. B= ut as some lojbanists already do this illegal trick then let's make it offi= cial.

Therefore
{mi ganse lo du'u crino} - I = sense something as being green (i.e. I see it).
{mi ganse lo du'u= lo cladu ku crino} - I sense some loud object as green (i.e. I = see it)

{mi ganse [tu'a] lo cladu} - I sense some loud objec= t [nothing is said how I sense it, it's might be a synonym of the previous = example].

So there is no conflict between the = object and the type of sensing it. In first case you use {tu'a} or jus= t drop it. In the second case you use {lo su'u/nu/du'u/...}

We have no gismu for TASTE ( {vrusi} has no place for = experiencer) and TOUCH-FEEL ({pencu} is now what we need. when i touch {ko'= a} with a screwdriver i touch-feel the screwdriver but touch {ko'a}&nb= sp;).

We would also need to allow in {sumne2} not only t= he object being smelled but the type of smell and abstraction for the combi= nation of the object and it's smell.

On Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:37:26 AM UTC+4, Robin Powell w= rote:
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 01:32:54PM -0700, djandus wrote:
> On Friday, November 18, 2011 3:48:51 PM UTC-6, xorxes wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > > This is really interesting stuff! Can you make sur= e it
> > > appears on some appropriate BPFK page?
> > >
> > > I completely agree with you about zgana, and I'm incline= d to
> > > agree with you about ganse; make sure they get notes in = the
> > > gismu setion please.
> >
> > I'm not in much of a wiki-editing mood la= tely, so I'll leave
> > that to somepony else.
> >
> Dude, did this really never get done?

I linked to the thread on the gismu issues page, a few hours ago.

-Robin

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