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On Friday, September 14, 2012 6:53:38 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sep 13, 9:01 pm, la gleki <gleki.is.my.n...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > On Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:03:03 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote: 
> > 
> > > You did not answer my question: "Do you aim at giving a phrasebook 
> > > only for English speakers?" 
> > 
> > No. 
>
> Then why do you say English should be detached without logically 
> defending your idea? 
>
> As I mentioned in the first example of malglico, distinction of the 
> time of a day, which affects the selection of phrases, depends on the 
> language. If the core language of translations is culturally non- 
> neutral, the selection of phrases is non-neutral, which translators 
> should obey, producing unusual translations unlikely used in one's 
> travel to Lojbanistan, lacking phrases frequent in one's own culture. 
>
> If you keep the English column detached to the left end, English is 
> still treated as the core language of translations. This method forces 
> the culture of English speakers on translators and non-English 
> readers. 
>
> My second example of malglico shows that English, as well as other 
> natural languages, easily produces scientifically strange 
> interpretation of a lojbanic sentence. If you treat Lojban as the core 
> language of translations and think lojbanic, and there would not be 
> such a problem. For this purpose, putting the Lojban column detached 
> to the left end is a good idea, isn't it? 
>
> mu'o 
>



no column is frozen now.

If we make lojban the standard this will divert other contributors of the 
phrasebook. It'll turn into a lojbanic project.

However, the basic idea is
1. Situational dialogs.
2. Universal situations

If the second item cannot be implemented I suggest creating 
country-specific dialogs.
So you open the phrasebook, open "Greetings" section, open "Japan" 
subsection and see how to correctly greet people in Japanese.

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<br><br>On Friday, September 14, 2012 6:53:38 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:<bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-l=
eft: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
<br>On Sep 13, 9:01&nbsp;pm, la gleki &lt;<a>gleki.is.my.n...@gmail.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt; On Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:03:03 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; &gt; You did not answer my question: "Do you aim at giving a phras=
ebook
<br>&gt; &gt; only for English speakers?"
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; No.
<br>
<br>Then why do you say English should be detached without logically
<br>defending your idea?
<br>
<br>As I mentioned in the first example of malglico, distinction of the
<br>time of a day, which affects the selection of phrases, depends on the
<br>language. If the core language of translations is culturally non-
<br>neutral, the selection of phrases is non-neutral, which translators
<br>should obey, producing unusual translations unlikely used in one's
<br>travel to Lojbanistan, lacking phrases frequent in one's own culture.
<br>
<br>If you keep the English column detached to the left end, English is
<br>still treated as the core language of translations. This method forces
<br>the culture of English speakers on translators and non-English
<br>readers.
<br>
<br>My second example of malglico shows that English, as well as other
<br>natural languages, easily produces scientifically strange
<br>interpretation of a lojbanic sentence. If you treat Lojban as the core
<br>language of translations and think lojbanic, and there would not be
<br>such a problem. For this purpose, putting the Lojban column detached
<br>to the left end is a good idea, isn't it?
<br>
<br>mu'o
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>no colum=
n is frozen now.</div><div><br></div><div>If we make lojban the standard th=
is will divert other contributors of the phrasebook. It'll turn into a lojb=
anic project.</div><div><br></div><div>However, the basic idea is</div><div=
>1. Situational dialogs.</div><div>2. Universal situations</div><div><br></=
div><div>If the second item cannot be implemented I suggest creating countr=
y-specific dialogs.</div><div>So you open the phrasebook, open "Greetings" =
section, open "Japan" subsection and see how to correctly greet people in J=
apanese.</div><div><br></div>

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