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On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> zo'oi.Yacht. za'i surla kei barda bloti

A yacht is not necesarily a "big boat" (ship). Surely you'd admit that
this: http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/photo_gallery.jsp?&hosturl=jarrettbay&&ywo=jarrettbay&slim=broker&boat_id=2438509&boatname=9m+Sea+Ray+260+Sundancer&photo_revised_date=1328305158000&photo_name=Miz+Wally&photo=0&url=
is not a "big boat", more likely, just a boat; but it's a yacht anyway.

> .i.e'o ko finti pa lujvo fo di'u ki'u lodu'u mi xebni lo fu'ivla

I'm also more inclined for lujvo; it seems many lojbanists look for
ancient words to make fu'ivla with no matter the end result is almost
unpronounceable. But {za'i surla kei barda bloti} also describes a
cruise ship, and a cruise ship is not a yacht. I think the private
usage nature of a yacht should be clearly stated.

mu'o mi'e betsemes

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