Received: from mail-fa0-f56.google.com ([209.85.161.56]:48746) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TCUYo-0003oV-Ux; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:00:00 -0700 Received: by faem10 with SMTP id m10sf1347847fae.1 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:59:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eW0YaTRb9JeSaJXjOU5RtSM9e8iR5T3n43iB0PEVyuM=; b=uOSz9XYGdu52/MrSSteISwKOjjPYDoXWCwnN6m9wATBy42ogVuYBsCBrxXqS8CZvPY ArIV6SFjfv7rbOkYqLPzhU6M5qGCX5z0VLP3wlHP1kg3jElepSCXWKHs9zNW+FbkvVGv WsJbo8gAHbLbfB3Ndh9oemz2ddsxAlrXQo7tYNAgxAfJMm/R1155vBcgnSUBj1uOLI35 ZtakopzpxurV11JCE4OsegPOyaE/QJMrtQN/LRA28eYmZLzBkWCsbyvyUaEG77vrV56x BOlo6GIXuSIUMMQDb/XIYlyWf9nRoPUf6qTrSZK+ELMPfvqCdxrYusZ9bqRx0+Qa7wEf jzyA== Received: by 10.205.121.143 with SMTP id gc15mr150714bkc.25.1347623983239; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:59:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.7.203 with SMTP id e11ls4008782bke.8.gmail; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.76 with SMTP id n12mr373604bkw.1.1347623982099; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.76 with SMTP id n12mr373601bkw.1.1347623981432; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23si111748bku.1.2012.09.14.04.59.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.46; Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com with SMTP id y9so2816056lag.5 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:59:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.44.228 with SMTP id h4mr1002738lbm.82.1347623981175; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.40.71 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:59:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5051E59B.205@gmx.de> <2388423.coKpO4eTEZ@caracal> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:59:41 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Yacht From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba308f2eb054a904c9a828a5 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --90e6ba308f2eb054a904c9a828a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 zoi gy.Cruise Ship.gy za'i surla litru kei barda bloti And yes, I know yachts are also used for leisure trips. My point is that yachts are defined by being a boat for leisure, whereas cruise ships are defined by being a boat for leisure *trips*. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 5:36 AM, Betsemes wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > zo'oi.Yacht. za'i surla kei barda bloti > > A yacht is not necesarily a "big boat" (ship). Surely you'd admit that > this: > http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/photo_gallery.jsp?&hosturl=jarrettbay&&ywo=jarrettbay&slim=broker&boat_id=2438509&boatname=9m+Sea+Ray+260+Sundancer&photo_revised_date=1328305158000&photo_name=Miz+Wally&photo=0&url= > is not a "big boat", more likely, just a boat; but it's a yacht anyway. > > > .i.e'o ko finti pa lujvo fo di'u ki'u lodu'u mi xebni lo fu'ivla > > I'm also more inclined for lujvo; it seems many lojbanists look for > ancient words to make fu'ivla with no matter the end result is almost > unpronounceable. But {za'i surla kei barda bloti} also describes a > cruise ship, and a cruise ship is not a yacht. I think the private > usage nature of a yacht should be clearly stated. > > mu'o mi'e betsemes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --90e6ba308f2eb054a904c9a828a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable zoi gy.Cruise Ship.gy za'i surla litru kei barda bloti

And yes, = I know yachts are also used for leisure trips. My point is that yachts are = defined by being a boat for leisure, whereas cruise ships are defined by be= ing a boat for leisure trips.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 5:36 AM, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> zo'oi.Yacht. za'i surla kei barda bloti

A yacht is not necesarily a "big boat" (ship). Surely you&#= 39;d admit that
this: http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/photo_gallery.jsp?&a= mp;hosturl=3Djarrettbay&&ywo=3Djarrettbay&slim=3Dbroker&boa= t_id=3D2438509&boatname=3D9m+Sea+Ray+260+Sundancer&photo_revised_da= te=3D1328305158000&photo_name=3DMiz+Wally&photo=3D0&url=3D<= br> is not a "big boat", more likely, just a boat; but it's a yac= ht anyway.

> .i.e'o ko finti pa lujvo fo di'u ki'u lodu'u mi xebni = lo fu'ivla

I'm also more inclined for lujvo; it seems many lojbanists look f= or
ancient words to make fu'ivla with no matter the end result is almost unpronounceable. But {za'i surla kei barda bloti} also describes a
cruise ship, and a cruise ship is not a yacht. I think the private
usage nature of a yacht should be clearly stated.

mu'o mi'e betsemes

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