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Also, Cruise Ships are *always* big. So that gives us two differentiation
points: Cruise ships are big, and used for trips of leisure, yachts are
much smaller, though usually bigger than speedboats, and are used for
leisure in general.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> zoi gy.Cruise Ship.gy za'i surla litru kei barda bloti
>
> And yes, I know yachts are also used for leisure trips. My point is that
> yachts are defined by being a boat for leisure, whereas cruise ships are
> defined by being a boat for leisure *trips*.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 5:36 AM, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > zo'oi.Yacht. za'i surla kei barda bloti
>>
>> A yacht is not necesarily a "big boat" (ship). Surely you'd admit that
>> this:
>> http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/photo_gallery.jsp?&hosturl=jarrettbay&&ywo=jarrettbay&slim=broker&boat_id=2438509&boatname=9m+Sea+Ray+260+Sundancer&photo_revised_date=1328305158000&photo_name=Miz+Wally&photo=0&url=
>> is not a "big boat", more likely, just a boat; but it's a yacht anyway.
>>
>> > .i.e'o ko finti pa lujvo fo di'u ki'u lodu'u mi xebni lo fu'ivla
>>
>> I'm also more inclined for lujvo; it seems many lojbanists look for
>> ancient words to make fu'ivla with no matter the end result is almost
>> unpronounceable. But {za'i surla kei barda bloti} also describes a
>> cruise ship, and a cruise ship is not a yacht. I think the private
>> usage nature of a yacht should be clearly stated.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e betsemes
>>
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>
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Also, Cruise Ships are <i>always</i> big. So that gives us two differentiat=
ion points: Cruise ships are big, and used for trips of leisure, yachts are=
 much smaller, though usually bigger than speedboats, and are used for leis=
ure in general.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Jonathan Jo=
nes <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">
zoi gy.Cruise Ship.gy za&#39;i surla litru kei barda bloti<br><br>And yes, =
I know yachts are also used for leisure trips. My point is that yachts are =
defined by being a boat for leisure, whereas cruise ships are defined by be=
ing a boat for leisure <i>trips</i>.<div class=3D"HOEnZb">
<div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 5:36 AM, Betsemes <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:betsemes@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>betsemes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>

<div>On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; zo&#39;oi.Yacht. za&#39;i surla kei barda bloti<br>
<br>
</div>A yacht is not necesarily a &quot;big boat&quot; (ship). Surely you&#=
39;d admit that<br>
this: <a href=3D"http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/photo_gallery.jsp?&=
amp;hosturl=3Djarrettbay&amp;&amp;ywo=3Djarrettbay&amp;slim=3Dbroker&amp;bo=
at_id=3D2438509&amp;boatname=3D9m+Sea+Ray+260+Sundancer&amp;photo_revised_d=
ate=3D1328305158000&amp;photo_name=3DMiz+Wally&amp;photo=3D0&amp;url=3D" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/photo_gallery.jsp?&a=
mp;hosturl=3Djarrettbay&amp;&amp;ywo=3Djarrettbay&amp;slim=3Dbroker&amp;boa=
t_id=3D2438509&amp;boatname=3D9m+Sea+Ray+260+Sundancer&amp;photo_revised_da=
te=3D1328305158000&amp;photo_name=3DMiz+Wally&amp;photo=3D0&amp;url=3D</a><=
br>


is not a &quot;big boat&quot;, more likely, just a boat; but it&#39;s a yac=
ht anyway.<br>
<div><br>
&gt; .i.e&#39;o ko finti pa lujvo fo di&#39;u ki&#39;u lodu&#39;u mi xebni =
lo fu&#39;ivla<br>
<br>
</div>I&#39;m also more inclined for lujvo; it seems many lojbanists look f=
or<br>
ancient words to make fu&#39;ivla with no matter the end result is almost<b=
r>
unpronounceable. But {za&#39;i surla kei barda bloti} also describes a<br>
cruise ship, and a cruise ship is not a yacht. I think the private<br>
usage nature of a yacht should be clearly stated.<br>
<div><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e betsemes<br>
<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br></div></div><div c=
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