Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:58658) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TCV3c-00045e-2a; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:31:46 -0700 Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4sf689059bkw.16 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:31:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=JB74+Q1boNXqbuFfkqp62pRLeqexL5M7hk1DTF+h0fU=; b=UiK/Cx4qPVI6hwDe4itC5WGvzOATl+aYOCRsQedWmZmcocfbWe0Fg/GllETOZxvKcJ 9YGqrESQTfjvf/jJu/to7RzAbxeggEGnKW/gQqvWXabaV6w8rtPuvaDQuvxKbZj6SUsT AAbjNAWbe4/xIVNucKwK1SGVBb8M0YdDs0MVJy9TsJgh9hoVN5khsi0m4hvc8ZYj8xhC eSsyaRwJwM6Tj2etTxLm/GlXaFSWT8cOhNT/TN+I6NGF3E7VtdHjkWH/+JeY1PwSyI1d rt35hbuX11/2P2NSAQC5TRUk8Kb8SzDIStHz7FunaBYA/Aw4k6VikNdbGl6dr/5Rk19y sMGA== Received: by 10.216.91.10 with SMTP id g10mr67808wef.16.1347625892202; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:31:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.103.170 with SMTP id fx10ls4949744wib.0.canary; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.24.135 with SMTP id u7mr5300067wif.3.1347625891499; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.24.135 with SMTP id u7mr5300066wif.3.1347625891477; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-f173.google.com (mail-we0-f173.google.com [74.125.82.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cx9si340164wib.0.2012.09.14.05.31.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.173; Received: by weyz53 with SMTP id z53so2831798wey.18 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:31:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.106.97 with SMTP id gt1mr47886342wib.5.1347625891151; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.195.211 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:31:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5051E59B.205@gmx.de> <2388423.coKpO4eTEZ@caracal> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:31:30 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Yacht From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428066883d5504c9a89a51 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04428066883d5504c9a89a51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My only objection to the use of sivni is that sivni is private as in private thoughts, but I don't really have a better alternative. "Private property" isn't property kept hidden or in secret, it's merely something owned by an individual (or sometimes a small group of individuals like in the case of family-owned and timeshares). But as I said, I don't have any good alternatives- I don't think pukypreposblo is better. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Betsemes wrote: > Okay. So your definitions: > zoi gy.Cruise Ship.gy za'i surla litru kei barda bloti > zo'oi.Yacht. za'i surla kei bloti > I take that you accept that a yacht is not necesarily big. > > So then > cruise ship: {zazysurli'ukezbrablo} or {surli'ubrablo} > yacht: {zazysurkezblo} or just {surblo}; and since nobody proved it > wrong (yet), {puksivblo} might also be. > > Thoughts? > > mu'o mi'e betsemes > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Also, Cruise Ships are always big. So that gives us two differentiation > > points: Cruise ships are big, and used for trips of leisure, yachts are > much > > smaller, though usually bigger than speedboats, and are used for leisure > in > > general. > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > >> > >> zoi gy.Cruise Ship.gy za'i surla litru kei barda bloti > >> > >> And yes, I know yachts are also used for leisure trips. My point is that > >> yachts are defined by being a boat for leisure, whereas cruise ships are > >> defined by being a boat for leisure trips. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d04428066883d5504c9a89a51 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My only objection to the use of sivni is that sivni is private as in privat= e thoughts, but I don't really have a better alternative. "Private= property" isn't property kept hidden or in secret, it's merel= y something owned by an individual (or sometimes a small group of individua= ls like in the case of family-owned and timeshares). But as I said, I don&#= 39;t have any good alternatives- I don't think pukypreposblo is better.=

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay. So your definitions:
zoi gy.Cruise Ship.gy za'i surla litru kei barda blot= i
zo'oi.Yacht. za'i surla kei bloti
I take that you accept that a yacht is not necesarily big.

So then
cruise ship: {zazysurli'ukezbrablo} or {surli'ubrablo}
yacht: {zazysurkezblo} or just {surblo}; and since nobody proved it
wrong (yet), {puksivblo} might also be.

Thoughts?

mu'o mi'e betsemes

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Jonathan Jo= nes <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrot= e:
> Also, Cruise Ships are always big. So that gives us two differentiatio= n
> points: Cruise ships are big, and used for trips of leisure, yachts ar= e much
> smaller, though usually bigger than speedboats, and are used for leisu= re in
> general.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> zoi gy.Cruise Ship.gy za'i surla litru kei barda bloti
>>
>> And yes, I know yachts are also used for leisure trips. My point i= s that
>> yachts are defined by being a boat for leisure, whereas cruise shi= ps are
>> defined by being a boat for leisure trips.

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