Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:60321) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TCW3H-0005Ey-EG; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:35:32 -0700 Received: by yenq10 with SMTP id q10sf924089yen.16 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:35:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=OwNDswdPjDsTtyp2MgzssLsH4YJarBpDxejTOmCzSeY=; b=QOY8dhiAN6YRb1FK83M2E5IhrTOAqbzFQqVsaXRXXWC5etJoohSKOqSaceEAB2B1cV 2hZ3o3BgYDfyBzL+Df7bYgOoGb9hUZLv3KILUx6TVFi8DtYs+tRLBPm3KMp2NCP3HCV+ GZnxTMRxxDZ2lvUdFnVjNhpRnoc0tbcETWDhp/4raN/zPisobD2q8kW+qSvoGLZdQBMV qhAlm6ti5i6/POq0Nt67dLMTKFYh9XQSsIWMihvCLzm8r4oUG+Yup+RehYNUldl2DHfT HwkHkAEKGadvgnScSKEawN0EXJGy3grhQ1F+CUW9acJPC2KFG+AIUZru6fMdyyZ1c1Xx G5MA== Received: by 10.224.220.139 with SMTP id hy11mr739411qab.10.1347629716934; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.216.6 with SMTP id hg6ls7543447qab.5.gmail; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.79.40 with SMTP id h28mr1655312yhe.48.1347629716455; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.79.40 with SMTP id h28mr1655311yhe.48.1347629716445; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f48.google.com (mail-vb0-f48.google.com [209.85.212.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i24si155678anh.2.2012.09.14.06.35.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.48; Received: by mail-vb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id e21so3179277vbm.7 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.222.212 with SMTP id ih20mr2104112vcb.59.1347629716203; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.147.37 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5051E59B.205@gmx.de> <2388423.coKpO4eTEZ@caracal> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:35:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Yacht From: Betsemes To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: betsemes@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=betsemes@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > My only objection to the use of sivni is that sivni is private as in private > thoughts, but I don't really have a better alternative. "Private property" > isn't property kept hidden or in secret, it's merely something owned by an > individual (or sometimes a small group of individuals like in the case of > family-owned and timeshares). But as I said, I don't have any good > alternatives- I don't think pukypreposblo is better. pukypreposblo = pluka ke prenu ponse bloti The objection I have about this is that a yacht is not necessarily private in terms of possession, but it's private in terms of usage. A cruise ship holds many passengers which are brought together by a cruise ship agency, and many of those passengers most likely don't know each other. A yacht may be owned by a yacht charter business, and many are; but it's mostly chartered by families or group of friends, or maybe even by coworkers; so it's more likely privately *used*. And yes, that's my uncertainty about sivni; it has "private" on its definition, but it seemed to be more about confidentiality althought I was not sure. mu'o mi'e betsemes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.