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Liebeslied .dy References: <20120814151252.GU27726@samsa> <421689dc-2c42-42f1-9cca-0d2ac1a04677@googlegroups.com> <20120816115739.GA29668@samsa> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Am 14.09.2012 21:32, schrieb Michael Turniansky: > Just a minor grammatical point about your letter, van.. You cannot=20 > cluster a cmavo together with another if it starts with a vowel (as=20 > you have done below with *"i.iua" and *".iuisai" without putting a=20 > pause (period or space in written lojban) before it. So that should be=20 > either ".i uisai" or ".i.uisai" Without wanting to re-open this debate from a while ago, I still don't=20 like seeing this kind of information being spread. Neither a pause nor a=20 period nor a space is needed in written or spoken Lojban. ".iua"=20 unambiguously fragments into .i ua. I'd repeat myself and say that ua is=20 a CV, but I don't want to get falsely flamed again for saying the truth.=20 For completeness sake however, I should add that there are no words that=20 begin with a (phonetic) vowel in Lojban, so the rule you formulated=20 above just never applies. What I'm saying might seem wrong or alien to=20 you, but I've done enough research and have thought about this topic at=20 length. You are free to reject it, of course. If you'd like to discuss=20 this in more depth (since it probably makes no sense to you here without=20 the proper context), feel free to open a new thread. I'd like to mention that because you are by far not the only one who=20 gets confused about Lojban's "denpa bu", I created a slightly altered=20 way of writing lojban some time ago which makes it impossible to=20 mispronounce things and which always clearly indicates what's going on=20 phonologically/morphologically (the goal being actual full isomorphism=20 within the limits of a simple latin alphabet using only a few=20 diacritics). Some people like it, some don't. Some like it but don't use=20 it, others actually have adopted it. It does help people though to not=20 be confused about Lojban's phonology. Bottomline, you really don't need a "denpa bu" in the sentence in question. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.