On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:

It seems to me against the spirit of lojban to try to define a lujvo to mea= n something so specific (and culturally specific) as "yacht"; I&#= 39;d use {surblo} to mean "boat used for relaxation" and let cont= ext disambiguate whether I meant cruise ship or yacht.

The entire /point/ of lujvo is to have specific meanings. Tanru ar= e the general, ill-defined ones.
=A0

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Betsemes <betsemes@gma= il.com> wrote:

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> My only objection to the use of sivni is that sivni is private as in p= rivate
> thoughts, but I don't really have a better alternative. "Priv= ate property"
> isn't property kept hidden or in secret, it's merely something= owned by an
> individual (or sometimes a small group of individuals like in the case= of
> family-owned and timeshares). But as I said, I don't have any good=
> alternatives- I don't think pukypreposblo is better.

pukypreposblo =3D pluka ke prenu ponse bloti

The objection I have about this is that a yacht is not necessarily
private in terms of possession, but it's private in terms of usage. A cruise ship holds many passengers which are brought together by a
cruise ship agency, and many of those passengers most likely don't
know each other. A yacht may be owned by a yacht charter business, and
many are; but it's mostly chartered by families or group of friends, or maybe even by coworkers; so it's more likely privately *used*.

And yes, that's my uncertainty about sivni; it has "private" = on its
definition, but it seemed to be more about confidentiality althought I
was not sure.

mu'o mi'e betsemes

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