Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:60085) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TCdtv-0000su-92; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:58:29 -0700 Received: by yhoo21 with SMTP id o21sf3695286yho.16 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:58:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=GIGK67bj7V30WqR/rXUAMd3geHu/HW6RBytBnmsmmxs=; b=Y6be8ACmxoJC6FRIg0VSMWqBxHvj7hNVagV5w5mwxaeOoVT57ZZPInLJuXXr+2AoTj PW97sWa/G8eRGHaNHMgaIWAWOQATmx8saxi+itDVw60VlNX718/G15DNhE9V7q7eMEer SaoMhTi9i6trShPsqmYqzr/0Qg5WpUgk79l8qHBTfoBfEAOaaqVpcHyzOh+6yW0VwhM1 9MGp21NuAy4CX8m6rWPQ1kLo/nkaoNcZtJr3MupxGCTbh309kn976RjZYg1bzOpbwFtU NU0rSeY24M5lUTaOH6MI02NqV2oEWXKSsBhT+BecuFF4bNkoN8BEn33hMe1wnQklGINs JzmQ== Received: by 10.50.179.103 with SMTP id df7mr556659igc.3.1347659888413; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:58:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.214.34 with SMTP id nx2ls798449igc.1.gmail; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.1.234 with SMTP id 10mr323365igp.0.1347659887852; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.1.234 with SMTP id 10mr323363igp.0.1347659887835; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wo9si297970igc.1.2012.09.14.14.58.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.41; Received: by oagj6 with SMTP id j6so4022745oag.14 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.25.193 with SMTP id e1mr5539332oeg.87.1347659887558; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:58:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.76.132.2 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:57:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50539EB6.5050806@kli.org> References: <5051E59B.205@gmx.de> <2388423.coKpO4eTEZ@caracal> <50539EB6.5050806@kli.org> From: ".arpis." Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:57:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Yacht To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f84ce0402604c9b0845d X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8fb1f84ce0402604c9b0845d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm not averse to that. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: > On 09/14/2012 03:00 PM, .arpis. wrote: > >> It seems to me against the spirit of lojban to try to define a lujvo to >> mean something so specific (and culturally specific) as "yacht"; I'd use >> {surblo} to mean "boat used for relaxation" and let context disambiguate >> whether I meant cruise ship or yacht. >> > I have yet to be convinced that simply {bloti} isn't sufficient. It > depends on the context, of course, but even if you need to say it's a yacht > and not just a boat, why not _explain what you mean_, in lujvo, tanru, even > whole phrases, and then just call it a {bloti} from then on? > > ~mark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@** > googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/lojban?hl=en . > > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e89a8fb1f84ce0402604c9b0845d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not averse to that.

On Fri, Sep 1= 4, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Mark E. Shoulson <mark@kli.org> wrote:
On 09/14/2012 03:00 PM, .arpis. wrote:
It seems to me against the spirit of lojban to try to define a lujvo to mea= n something so specific (and culturally specific) as "yacht"; I&#= 39;d use {surblo} to mean "boat used for relaxation" and let cont= ext disambiguate whether I meant cruise ship or yacht.
I have yet to be convinced that simply {bloti} isn't sufficient. =A0It = depends on the context, of course, but even if you need to say it's a y= acht and not just a boat, why not _explain what you mean_, in lujvo, tanru,= even whole phrases, and then just call it a {bloti} from then on?

~mark


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