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I intentionally didnt open  http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Keyboard+key+names  
before translating.
Now I see some better solutions there.

Evolved Lojban Keyboard is awesome. Better than Dvorak. How can I use it?

On Saturday, September 15, 2012 1:05:39 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:36:09 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:
>>
>> So, I very quickly (as in an arbitrary decision needs to be made within 
>> the next 36 hours) need names for all of the keys. I've elected to use the 
>> phrasing {la'e .a bu batke fi lo nu co'e} because it's short and gets the 
>> point across in a character-limited space. If this is absolutely verbotten, 
>> please let me know, but otherwise don't nitpick. I see 
>> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Keyboard+key+names contains some of the keys, 
>> but not all of them. So, the ones I specifically need and on which I would 
>> like a quick consensus are:
>>
>> space bar
>>
>
> canlubu
>  
>
>> escape
>>
>
> cliva bu
>  
>
>> up
>> down
>> left
>> right
>>
>
> left, right, up, down buttons - zunle, pritu....bu ?
>
>  
>
>> left shift
>> right shift
>>
>
> tarmi bu???
>  
>
>> left control
>> right control
>>
>
> sazri bu...
>  
>
>> left alt
>> right alt
>>
>
> Alt + left = stika bu joi/jo'u zunlebu ?
>  
>
>> tab
>> enter
>>
>
> cfari bu
>  
>
>> backspace
>>
>
> trixyvimcu bu
>  
>
>> insert
>>
>
> definitely {setca bu}, although will probably be a conflict with "paste" 
> function which is also {setca} in computer sense.
>  
>
>> delete
>>
>
> vimcu bu
>  
>
>> page up
>>
>
> This is not "page up" but rather "large space up". However, as we haven't 
> decided on how to say "page" in general (no matter if it's made of paper or 
> displayed on your screen, I'd rather stick with {te tcidu} and {se tcidu} 
> depending on situation) let it be {galtu zei ckupau bu}
>  
>
>> page down
>>
>
> {dizlo zei ckupau bu}
>  
>
>> home
>>
>
> krasi bu. {zdani bu} is kinda metaphor.
>
> end
>>
>
> {fanmo bu} if {fanmo} = {to'e krasi}
>
> / (keypad)
>> * (keypad)
>> - (keypad)
>> + (keypad)
>> . (keypad)
>> enter (keypad)
>>
>
> not a clue.
>  
>
>> num lock
>>
>
> Numlock - number switch, na'uvra bu?
>  
>
>> capslock
>>
>
> Should use the same gismu as for "shift". tarmi vraga???
>
>> scroll lock
>>
>
> lacpu bu
>  
>
>> pause
>>
>
> .ii {denpa bu} has already another meaning!
> sisti bu?
>
>
> 1 (keypad)
>> 2 (keypad)
>> 3 (keypad)
>> 4 (keypad)
>> 5 (keypad)
>> 6 (keypad)
>> 7 (keypad)
>> 8 (keypad)
>> 9 (keypad)
>> 0 (keypad)
>>
>
> again not a clue. Something like {nonckiku bu} etc....?
>
>  
>
>> "gamepad"
>> joystick right
>> joystick left
>>
>
> Sorry. No ideas.
>  
>
>>
>> Help is muchly appreciated and I will try to compensate you in some 
>> manner for your assistance.
>>
>> As a random side-bit, I found this in my search and thought it was 
>> interesting. Anybody try it? I'm going to once I force myself to take a 
>> break from translating.
>> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Evolved+Lojban+Keyboard 
>>
>

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I intentionally didnt open&nbsp;
<a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Keyboard+key+names">http://www.lojban=
.org/tiki/Keyboard+key+names</a>&nbsp; before translating.<div>Now I see so=
me better solutions there.</div><div><br></div><div>Evolved Lojban Keyboard=
 is awesome. Better than Dvorak. How can I use it?<br><br>On Saturday, Sept=
ember 15, 2012 1:05:39 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>On Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:36:09 PM UTC+4=
, la .lindar. wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;mar=
gin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>So, I very=
 quickly (as in an arbitrary decision needs to be made within the next 36 h=
ours) need names for all of the keys. I've elected to use the phrasing {la'=
e .a bu batke fi lo nu co'e} because it's short and gets the point across i=
n a character-limited space. If this is absolutely verbotten, please let me=
 know, but otherwise don't nitpick. I see&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://www.lojban=
.org/tiki/Keyboard+key+names" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lojban.org/<wbr>=
tiki/Keyboard+key+names</a>&nbsp;<wbr>contains some of the keys, but not al=
l of them. So, the ones I specifically need and on which I would like a qui=
ck consensus are:</div><div><br></div><div><div>space bar</div></div></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div><div>canlubu</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>escape</div></div></blockquote><div><br></=
div><div>cliva bu</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex"><div><div>up</div><div>down</div><div>left</div><div>right</div></div>=
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>left, right, up, down buttons - zunle, pri=
tu....bu ?<br></div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>left shift</div><div>right shift</div></di=
v></blockquote><div><br></div><div>tarmi bu???</div><div>&nbsp;</div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>left control</div><div>right co=
ntrol</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>sazri bu...</div><div>&nb=
sp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>left alt</div><d=
iv>right alt</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Alt + left =3D sti=
ka bu joi/jo'u zunlebu ?<br></div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div><div>tab</div><div>enter</div></div></blockquote><div>=
<br></div><div>cfari bu</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex"><div><div>backspace</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
trixyvimcu bu</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><div><div>insert</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>definitely {s=
etca bu}, although will probably be a conflict with "paste" function which =
is also {setca} in computer sense.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>delete</div></div></blockquote><div><br></=
div><div>vimcu bu</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex"><div><div>page up</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is =
not "page up" but rather "large space up". However, as we haven't decided o=
n how to say "page" in general (no matter if it's made of paper or displaye=
d on your screen, I'd rather stick with {te tcidu} and {se tcidu} depending=
 on situation) let it be {galtu zei ckupau bu}</div><div>&nbsp;</div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>page down</div></div></blockquo=
te><div><br></div><div>{dizlo zei ckupau bu}</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>home</div></div></blockquote><div=
><br></div><div>krasi bu. {zdani bu} is kinda metaphor.</div><div><br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>end</div></div></blockqu=
ote><div><br></div><div>{fanmo bu} if {fanmo} =3D {to'e krasi}</div><div><b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>/ (keypad)</div><=
div>* (keypad)</div><div>- (keypad)</div><div>+ (keypad)</div><div>. (keypa=
d)</div><div>enter (keypad)</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>not=
 a clue.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div=
><div>num lock</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Numlock - number=
 switch, na'uvra bu?</div><div>&nbsp;<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div><div>capslock</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
Should use the same gismu as for "shift". tarmi vraga???</div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>scroll lock</div></div></blockquote><d=
iv><br></div><div>lacpu bu</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div><div>pause</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>.=
ii {denpa bu} has&nbsp;already&nbsp;another meaning!</div><div>sisti bu?</d=
iv><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv><div>1 (keypad)</div><div>2 (keypad)</div><div>3 (keypad)</div><div>4 (k=
eypad)</div><div>5 (keypad)</div><div>6 (keypad)</div><div>7 (keypad)</div>=
<div>8 (keypad)</div><div>9 (keypad)</div><div>0 (keypad)</div></div></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div><div>again not a clue. Something like {nonckiku bu} e=
tc....?</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><div><div>"gamepad"</div><div>joystick right</div><div>joystick l=
eft</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sorry. No ideas.</div><div>=
&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left=
:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div>Hel=
p is muchly appreciated and I will try to compensate you in some manner for=
 your assistance.</div><div><br></div>As a random side-bit, I found this in=
 my search and thought it was interesting. Anybody try it? I'm going to onc=
e I force myself to take a break from translating.<div><a href=3D"http://ww=
w.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DEvolved+Lojban+Keyboard" target=3D"=
_blank">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/<wbr>tiki-index.php?page=3DEvolved+<wbr>=
Lojban+Keyboard</a>&nbsp;<br></div></blockquote></blockquote></div>

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