Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:52057) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TCt6t-0007uJ-5q; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:12:48 -0700 Received: by eaan13 with SMTP id n13sf1935099eaa.16 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:12:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=uFLYyz8D2UQJaCWUVGk7hJJzUdk1mxFz/H5e7fHU3PA=; b=Mg2Jy8JzZUOhN9fFKAYXyPc2jQbFD/U8x8/fH9NF1TADYOyiAZJE3bSuYwPgyl8qPT pRZxgJhlbr1+Rjq7zHCg9bHwgefT5c3MRdzB0wy0+S/TElrQV0gQITGYZHHxXg1EAEmu 4Vk3U7FG+/ictazUrL7LmdLtpLSM6bFDZVu2X7yU4AA+qy7PeSKNqpcudyCNcbnr1l3+ myZzXvVtcIhF80MgbsgyLi5DvntXWC4mrXLI6iaIgsjJslk+U6huFkFA64n0tzRQLo/Y p+bMDG0BN5OCYAS5ASvSUmAwuC6jXKUaj6h5Y3BBX68dTr8/9EvJsSQqhkKfXN6UIuPi 8WEg== Received: by 10.216.197.94 with SMTP id s72mr210023wen.56.1347718349307; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:12:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.206.216 with SMTP id l66ls276911weo.4.gmail; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.107.167 with SMTP id hd7mr472478wib.0.1347718348457; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.107.167 with SMTP id hd7mr472477wib.0.1347718348431; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fa8si565935wid.1.2012.09.15.07.12.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.50; Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id ds11so3902050wgb.31 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:12:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.86.133 with SMTP id p5mr4997686wiz.17.1347718348252; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.208.139 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:12:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9d260c94-d0b7-47a2-8655-d41d6f8c5ba3@googlegroups.com> References: <269492db-f6e1-455a-a171-1916ddfb7615@googlegroups.com> <9d260c94-d0b7-47a2-8655-d41d6f8c5ba3@googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:12:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Keyboard keys From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebastian_Fr=F6jd?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442820e67a5d404c9be21aa X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0442820e67a5d404c9be21aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Correct me if I'm wrong, but anything postfixed with .bu refer to the character, not to the actual button on the keyboard, right? So for example denpa bu refer to the character "," not the button. The button for "," is "denpa bu batke", right? And "ni'obu" would be some kind of character (like that one in wordprocessors) symbolizing the action performed by pressing the "Return"-button? Otherwise I think it's a good idea to translate all kind of characters and keyboard-buttons into lojban. Preferably a systematic translation of all Unicode-characters. space bar I prefer tersai button, rather than canlubu (a typographic space isn't a threedimensional space) mu'omi'e jongausib 2012/9/15 la gleki > I intentionally didnt open http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Keyboard+key+names > before translating. > Now I see some better solutions there. > > Evolved Lojban Keyboard is awesome. Better than Dvorak. How can I use it? > > > On Saturday, September 15, 2012 1:05:39 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:36:09 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote: >>> >>> So, I very quickly (as in an arbitrary decision needs to be made within >>> the next 36 hours) need names for all of the keys. I've elected to use the >>> phrasing {la'e .a bu batke fi lo nu co'e} because it's short and gets the >>> point across in a character-limited space. If this is absolutely verbotten, >>> please let me know, but otherwise don't nitpick. I see >>> http://www.lojban.org/**tiki/Keyboard+key+names >>> **contains some of the keys, but not all of them. So, the ones I >>> specifically need and on which I would like a quick consensus are: >>> >>> space bar >>> >> >> canlubu >> >> >>> escape >>> >> >> cliva bu >> >> >>> up >>> down >>> left >>> right >>> >> >> left, right, up, down buttons - zunle, pritu....bu ? >> >> >> >>> left shift >>> right shift >>> >> >> tarmi bu??? >> >> >>> left control >>> right control >>> >> >> sazri bu... >> >> >>> left alt >>> right alt >>> >> >> Alt + left = stika bu joi/jo'u zunlebu ? >> >> >>> tab >>> enter >>> >> >> cfari bu >> >> >>> backspace >>> >> >> trixyvimcu bu >> >> >>> insert >>> >> >> definitely {setca bu}, although will probably be a conflict with "paste" >> function which is also {setca} in computer sense. >> >> >>> delete >>> >> >> vimcu bu >> >> >>> page up >>> >> >> This is not "page up" but rather "large space up". However, as we haven't >> decided on how to say "page" in general (no matter if it's made of paper or >> displayed on your screen, I'd rather stick with {te tcidu} and {se tcidu} >> depending on situation) let it be {galtu zei ckupau bu} >> >> >>> page down >>> >> >> {dizlo zei ckupau bu} >> >> >>> home >>> >> >> krasi bu. {zdani bu} is kinda metaphor. >> >> end >>> >> >> {fanmo bu} if {fanmo} = {to'e krasi} >> >> / (keypad) >>> * (keypad) >>> - (keypad) >>> + (keypad) >>> . (keypad) >>> enter (keypad) >>> >> >> not a clue. >> >> >>> num lock >>> >> >> Numlock - number switch, na'uvra bu? >> >> >>> capslock >>> >> >> Should use the same gismu as for "shift". tarmi vraga??? >> >>> scroll lock >>> >> >> lacpu bu >> >> >>> pause >>> >> >> .ii {denpa bu} has already another meaning! >> sisti bu? >> >> >> 1 (keypad) >>> 2 (keypad) >>> 3 (keypad) >>> 4 (keypad) >>> 5 (keypad) >>> 6 (keypad) >>> 7 (keypad) >>> 8 (keypad) >>> 9 (keypad) >>> 0 (keypad) >>> >> >> again not a clue. Something like {nonckiku bu} etc....? >> >> >> >>> "gamepad" >>> joystick right >>> joystick left >>> >> >> Sorry. No ideas. >> >> >>> >>> Help is muchly appreciated and I will try to compensate you in some >>> manner for your assistance. >>> >>> As a random side-bit, I found this in my search and thought it was >>> interesting. Anybody try it? I'm going to once I force myself to take a >>> break from translating. >>> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/**tiki-index.php?page=Evolved+** >>> Lojban+Keyboard >>> >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/zJv7OzcFrOAJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d0442820e67a5d404c9be21aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Correct me if I'm wrong, but anything postfixed with .bu refer to the c= haracter, not to the actual button on the keyboard, right?
So for exampl= e denpa bu refer to the character "," not the button. The button = for "," is "denpa bu batke", right?
And "ni'obu" would be some kind of character (like that one i= n wordprocessors) symbolizing the action performed by pressing the "Re= turn"-button?

Otherwise I think it's a good idea to transla= te all kind of characters and keyboard-buttons into lojban. Preferably a sy= stematic translation of all Unicode-characters.

space bar

I prefer tersai butt= on, rather than canlubu (a typographic space isn't a threedimensional s= pace)

mu'omi'e jongausib


2012/9/15 la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
=
I intentionally didnt open=A0 http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Keyboard+key+names=A0 before translating.Now I see some better solutions there.

Evolved = Lojban Keyboard is awesome. Better than Dvorak. How can I use it?


On Saturday, September 15, 2012 1:05:39 PM UTC+4,= la gleki wrote:


On Saturday= , September 15, 2012 12:36:09 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:
So, I very quickly (as in an arbitrary decision needs to be made withi= n the next 36 hours) need names for all of the keys. I've elected to us= e the phrasing {la'e .a bu batke fi lo nu co'e} because it's sh= ort and gets the point across in a character-limited space. If this is abso= lutely verbotten, please let me know, but otherwise don't nitpick. I se= e=A0http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Keyboard+key+names=A0cont= ains some of the keys, but not all of them. So, the ones I specifically nee= d and on which I would like a quick consensus are:

space bar

<= div>canlubu
=A0
escape

cliva bu
=A0
up
down
left
right

left,= right, up, down buttons - zunle, pritu....bu ?

=A0
left shift
right shift
tarmi bu???
=A0
left control
right control

sazri bu...
=A0
left alt
right alt

Alt + left =3D stika bu joi/jo'u zunlebu ?
=A0
tab
enter

c= fari bu
=A0
backspace

trixyvimcu bu
=A0
insert
<= /div>

definitely {setca bu}, although will proba= bly be a conflict with "paste" function which is also {setca} in = computer sense.
=A0
delete

vimcu bu
=
=A0
page up

This is not "page up" but = rather "large space up". However, as we haven't decided on ho= w to say "page" in general (no matter if it's made of paper o= r displayed on your screen, I'd rather stick with {te tcidu} and {se tc= idu} depending on situation) let it be {galtu zei ckupau bu}
=A0
page down

{dizlo zei ckupau bu}
= =A0
home

krasi bu. {zdani bu} is kinda metaphor.
<= br>
end

{fanmo bu} if {fanmo} =3D {to'e krasi}

/ (keypad)=
* (keypad)
- (keypad)
+ (keypad)
.= (keypad)
enter (keypad)

not a clue.=
=A0
num l= ock

Numlock - number switch, na'uvra= bu?
=A0
capslock

Should use the same gi= smu as for "shift". tarmi vraga???
scroll lock

lacpu bu<= /div>
=A0
pause<= /div>

.ii {denpa bu} has=A0already=A0anoth= er meaning!
sisti bu?


1 (keypad)
2 (keypad)
3 (keypad)
4 = (keypad)
5 (keypad)
6 (keypad)
7 (keypad)
8 (keypad)
9 (keypad)
0 (keypad)

again not a clue. Something like {nonckiku= bu} etc....?

=A0
"gamepad"
joystick right
joystick l= eft

Sorry. No ideas.
= =A0

Help is muchly appreciated and I will try to compensate= you in some manner for your assistance.

As a random si= de-bit, I found this in my search and thought it was interesting. Anybody t= ry it? I'm going to once I force myself to take a break from translatin= g.

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