Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:44777) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TCtRW-000834-4B; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:34:04 -0700 Received: by weyu3 with SMTP id u3sf1953044wey.16 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:33:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=XW+bfeWNvf9BdVZZ+u7OttlhN+J0rxnv/nwmPFgJDsI=; b=XORg1r7PM1Fsdac1dveyW25aPoh4p9Bw4OB3or++/XLVo2FyGijE02hI97OJdSbGlp qKEurDNbRqByx7feIZ6zwbPSKGth3AvP5IEcsnnhGU3IWLmD+Qj9qCulhTVSD/3MHWWI 1NjOQ566ML2ABdeCvvjtESQ4PzZVb1mXhbKDFp3OiPc/L8mCG2XcbJlxZHnVqOUhvJLu OU110qFS0MyXCoQpxFuUUbDOKdhM685/H2Mbw5JfIfzA87bA9dxpIjfZpCyGEuMqnSo7 gUitm3bOH2DrcHJ1UswcSG6YrQocPOwN7QVIilJuyQjusAhKLanV4j2nFWdeqR3ljmOB kwvg== Received: by 10.180.92.168 with SMTP id cn8mr378366wib.1.1347719630346; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:33:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.79.101 with SMTP id i5ls1136776wix.2.canary; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.98.234 with SMTP id el10mr481722wib.3.1347719629811; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.98.234 with SMTP id el10mr481720wib.3.1347719629792; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-f43.google.com (mail-wg0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e5si576454wiw.0.2012.09.15.07.33.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.43; Received: by wgbdq11 with SMTP id dq11so1276372wgb.12 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:33:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.55.195 with SMTP id k45mr3080586wec.216.1347719629453; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.208.139 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:33:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <269492db-f6e1-455a-a171-1916ddfb7615@googlegroups.com> <9d260c94-d0b7-47a2-8655-d41d6f8c5ba3@googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:33:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Keyboard keys From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebastian_Fr=F6jd?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dbe606c5380004c9be6d92 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --0016e6dbe606c5380004c9be6d92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > left shift > right shift > zunle tau bu pritu tau bu capslock > ga'e bu mu'omi'e jongausib 2012/9/15 Sebastian Fr=F6jd > Correct me if I'm wrong, but anything postfixed with .bu refer to the > character, not to the actual button on the keyboard, right? > So for example denpa bu refer to the character "," not the button. The > button for "," is "denpa bu batke", right? > And "ni'obu" would be some kind of character (like that one in > wordprocessors) symbolizing the action performed by pressing the > "Return"-button? > > Otherwise I think it's a good idea to translate all kind of characters an= d > keyboard-buttons into lojban. Preferably a systematic translation of all > Unicode-characters. > > space bar > > I prefer tersai button, rather than canlubu (a typographic space isn't a > threedimensional space) > > mu'omi'e jongausib > > > 2012/9/15 la gleki > >> I intentionally didnt open http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Keyboard+key+name= s >> before translating. >> Now I see some better solutions there. >> >> Evolved Lojban Keyboard is awesome. Better than Dvorak. How can I use it= ? >> >> >> On Saturday, September 15, 2012 1:05:39 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:36:09 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote: >>>> >>>> So, I very quickly (as in an arbitrary decision needs to be made withi= n >>>> the next 36 hours) need names for all of the keys. I've elected to use= the >>>> phrasing {la'e .a bu batke fi lo nu co'e} because it's short and gets = the >>>> point across in a character-limited space. If this is absolutely verbo= tten, >>>> please let me know, but otherwise don't nitpick. I see >>>> http://www.lojban.org/**tiki/Keyboard+key+names >>>> **contains some of the keys, but not all of them. So, the ones I >>>> specifically need and on which I would like a quick consensus are: >>>> >>>> space bar >>>> >>> >>> canlubu >>> >>> >>>> escape >>>> >>> >>> cliva bu >>> >>> >>>> up >>>> down >>>> left >>>> right >>>> >>> >>> left, right, up, down buttons - zunle, pritu....bu ? >>> >>> >>> >>>> left shift >>>> right shift >>>> >>> >>> tarmi bu??? >>> >>> >>>> left control >>>> right control >>>> >>> >>> sazri bu... >>> >>> >>>> left alt >>>> right alt >>>> >>> >>> Alt + left =3D stika bu joi/jo'u zunlebu ? >>> >>> >>>> tab >>>> enter >>>> >>> >>> cfari bu >>> >>> >>>> backspace >>>> >>> >>> trixyvimcu bu >>> >>> >>>> insert >>>> >>> >>> definitely {setca bu}, although will probably be a conflict with "paste= " >>> function which is also {setca} in computer sense. >>> >>> >>>> delete >>>> >>> >>> vimcu bu >>> >>> >>>> page up >>>> >>> >>> This is not "page up" but rather "large space up". However, as we >>> haven't decided on how to say "page" in general (no matter if it's made= of >>> paper or displayed on your screen, I'd rather stick with {te tcidu} and= {se >>> tcidu} depending on situation) let it be {galtu zei ckupau bu} >>> >>> >>>> page down >>>> >>> >>> {dizlo zei ckupau bu} >>> >>> >>>> home >>>> >>> >>> krasi bu. {zdani bu} is kinda metaphor. >>> >>> end >>>> >>> >>> {fanmo bu} if {fanmo} =3D {to'e krasi} >>> >>> / (keypad) >>>> * (keypad) >>>> - (keypad) >>>> + (keypad) >>>> . (keypad) >>>> enter (keypad) >>>> >>> >>> not a clue. >>> >>> >>>> num lock >>>> >>> >>> Numlock - number switch, na'uvra bu? >>> >>> >>>> capslock >>>> >>> >>> Should use the same gismu as for "shift". tarmi vraga??? >>> >>>> scroll lock >>>> >>> >>> lacpu bu >>> >>> >>>> pause >>>> >>> >>> .ii {denpa bu} has already another meaning! >>> sisti bu? >>> >>> >>> 1 (keypad) >>>> 2 (keypad) >>>> 3 (keypad) >>>> 4 (keypad) >>>> 5 (keypad) >>>> 6 (keypad) >>>> 7 (keypad) >>>> 8 (keypad) >>>> 9 (keypad) >>>> 0 (keypad) >>>> >>> >>> again not a clue. Something like {nonckiku bu} etc....? >>> >>> >>> >>>> "gamepad" >>>> joystick right >>>> joystick left >>>> >>> >>> Sorry. No ideas. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Help is muchly appreciated and I will try to compensate you in some >>>> manner for your assistance. >>>> >>>> As a random side-bit, I found this in my search and thought it was >>>> interesting. Anybody try it? I'm going to once I force myself to take = a >>>> break from translating. >>>> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/**tiki-index.php?page=3DEvolved+** >>>> Lojban+Keyboard >>>> >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/zJv7OzcFrOAJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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left shift
right shift
zunle tau bu
pritu tau bu

capslock

ga'e bu



mu'= ;omi'e jongausib



= 2012/9/15 Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com>
Correct me if I'm wrong, but anything po= stfixed with .bu refer to the character, not to the actual button on the ke= yboard, right?
So for example denpa bu refer to the character "," not the button= . The button for "," is "denpa bu batke", right?
And "ni'obu" would be some kind of character (like that one i= n wordprocessors) symbolizing the action performed by pressing the "Re= turn"-button?

Otherwise I think it's a good idea to transla= te all kind of characters and keyboard-buttons into lojban. Preferably a sy= stematic translation of all Unicode-characters.

space bar

I prefer tersai butt= on, rather than canlubu (a typographic space isn't a threedimensional s= pace)

mu'omi'e jongausib


2012/9/15 la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
=
I intentionally didnt open=A0 http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Keyboard+key+names=A0 before translating.Now I see some better solutions there.

Evolved = Lojban Keyboard is awesome. Better than Dvorak. How can I use it?


On Saturday, September 15, 2012 1:05:39 PM UTC+4, la gleki wro= te:


On Saturday, September 1= 5, 2012 12:36:09 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:
So, I very quickly (as in an arbitrary decision needs to be made withi= n the next 36 hours) need names for all of the keys. I've elected to us= e the phrasing {la'e .a bu batke fi lo nu co'e} because it's sh= ort and gets the point across in a character-limited space. If this is abso= lutely verbotten, please let me know, but otherwise don't nitpick. I se= e=A0http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Keyboard+key+names=A0cont= ains some of the keys, but not all of them. So, the ones I specifically nee= d and on which I would like a quick consensus are:

space bar

<= div>canlubu
=A0
escape

cliva bu
=A0
up
down
left
right

left,= right, up, down buttons - zunle, pritu....bu ?

=A0
left shift
right shift
tarmi bu???
=A0
left control
right control

sazri bu...
=A0
left alt
right alt

Alt + left =3D stika bu joi/jo'u zunlebu ?
=A0
tab
enter

c= fari bu
=A0
backspace

trixyvimcu bu
=A0
insert
<= /div>

definitely {setca bu}, although will proba= bly be a conflict with "paste" function which is also {setca} in = computer sense.
=A0
delete

vimcu bu
=
=A0
page up

This is not "page up" but = rather "large space up". However, as we haven't decided on ho= w to say "page" in general (no matter if it's made of paper o= r displayed on your screen, I'd rather stick with {te tcidu} and {se tc= idu} depending on situation) let it be {galtu zei ckupau bu}
=A0
page down

{dizlo zei ckupau bu}
= =A0
home

krasi bu. {zdani bu} is kinda metaphor.

end

{fanmo bu} if {fanmo} =3D {to'e krasi}

/ (keypad)=
* (keypad)
- (keypad)
+ (keypad)
. (keypad)
enter (keypad)

not a clue.=
=A0
num l= ock

Numlock - number switch, na'uvra= bu?
=A0
capslock

Should use the same gi= smu as for "shift". tarmi vraga???
scroll lock

lacpu bu<= /div>
=A0
pause<= /div>

.ii {denpa bu} has=A0already=A0anoth= er meaning!
sisti bu?


1 (keypad)
2 (keypad)
3 (keypad)
4 = (keypad)
5 (keypad)
6 (keypad)
7 (keypad)
8 (keypad)
9 (keypad)
0 (keypad)

again not a clue. Something like {nonckiku= bu} etc....?

=A0
"gamepad"
joystick right
joystick l= eft

Sorry. No ideas.
= =A0

Help is muchly appreciated and I will try to compensate= you in some manner for your assistance.

As a random si= de-bit, I found this in my search and thought it was interesting. Anybody t= ry it? I'm going to once I force myself to take a break from translatin= g.

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