Received: from mail-ie0-f189.google.com ([209.85.223.189]:41243) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TCtoV-0008FL-Ov; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:57:50 -0700 Received: by ieak10 with SMTP id k10sf3947673iea.16 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:57:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=it27Rlx9iytzo5sJ5lRorVCO3nIp9kKChN45CiqbdZM=; b=IYzP/HICYtShQhT5+XecCdr5OGsyO1E9+kimKRJjygAc2wGcGhHqsrK9GxwhpplkUa VZlSTvfqFlqe7q1EU5Wt7lIZMxPdk8XsKkkvMly7yQ4OSTboJURJ6SvZWFvoQPOUzC/q XKno+eiH3j2oc7ylIfixti3g7bdkw6piITxNalwdAiQpn383Jc0F+KKgvVx5IpDx9+WE pU9JIkxdU1NYnnlpaLsUKZm9zlhB6aw+A8LEWoKxeHlJOjXbE1ufXi6htNr9S0LP5pgg 7xspbrwBlAsSUyz9vAYXBn+Fhix3kRApaY6VV9wPlCBBk6ZQitsz7FQ2d60XYsbRnXQb hAwg== Received: by 10.50.36.135 with SMTP id q7mr985623igj.4.1347721057037; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:57:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.82.148 with SMTP id b20ls11301673ibl.9.gmail; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.188.163 with SMTP id gb3mr1121976igc.5.1347721056433; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.188.163 with SMTP id gb3mr1121975igc.5.1347721056416; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rf8si1551966igb.2.2012.09.15.07.57.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.223.172; Received: by ieak13 with SMTP id k13so8576459iea.31 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.46.135 with SMTP id uo7mr4982447icb.45.1347721056213; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:57:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.25.8 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:57:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50539EB6.5050806@kli.org> References: <5051E59B.205@gmx.de> <2388423.coKpO4eTEZ@caracal> <50539EB6.5050806@kli.org> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 10:57:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Yacht To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5299a43cfd95b04c9bec261 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec5299a43cfd95b04c9bec261 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: > On 09/14/2012 03:00 PM, .arpis. wrote: > >> It seems to me against the spirit of lojban to try to define a lujvo to >> mean something so specific (and culturally specific) as "yacht"; I'd use >> {surblo} to mean "boat used for relaxation" and let context disambiguate >> whether I meant cruise ship or yacht. >> > I have yet to be convinced that simply {bloti} isn't sufficient. It > depends on the context, of course, but even if you need to say it's a yacht > and not just a boat, why not _explain what you mean_, in lujvo, tanru, even > whole phrases, and then just call it a {bloti} from then on? +1 stevo > > > ~mark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@** > googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/lojban?hl=en . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec5299a43cfd95b04c9bec261 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Mark E.= Shoulson <mark@kli.org> wrote:
On 09/14/2012 03:00 PM, .arpis. wrote:
It seems to me against the spirit of lojban to try to define a lujvo to mea= n something so specific (and culturally specific) as "yacht"; I&#= 39;d use {surblo} to mean "boat used for relaxation" and let cont= ext disambiguate whether I meant cruise ship or yacht.
I have yet to be convinced that simply {bloti} isn't sufficient. =A0It = depends on the context, of course, but even if you need to say it's a y= acht and not just a boat, why not _explain what you mean_, in lujvo, tanru,= even whole phrases, and then just call it a {bloti} from then on?

+1

stevo=A0


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