On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:03 AM, la glek= i <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, September 17, 2012 2:14:02 PM UTC+4, t= sani wrote:

In my honest opinion, th= e best, exact way to talk about the age of someone is {.i do co'a jmive= puza ma} "how long ago did you begin to live"

This is ambiguous, depending on your= definition of "begin to live". Is that conception, or birth? Bot= h ways are common, depending on culture and individual.=A0

=A0

or {.i do jbena puza ma} "how long ago were you born."
=A0
Well, I'd vote for the first sentence.=A0

So would I.=A0

stevo=A0

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 15 September 2012 03:51, guskant <gusni...@gmail.com> wrote:

2012/9/15 la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com>:

>
>
> Lojbanists won't succeed. Global work needed.
> btw today I found even more low quality, actually unusable, wrong
> translations in tatoeba. Years can pass by until some moderator correc= ts
> them. What is the profit of using tatoeba then?

Even if Tatoeba includes many wrong translations, it is still a nice<= br> tool for learning Lojban. I often read phrases translated by jbocre (I
know some specific ones on Tatoeba), and sometimes find lojbanically
inspired expressions that please me. Sometimes even jbocre make a
mistake, but finding mistakes is also a good training. I profit from
it to remember the correct expressions. I don't recommend Tatoeba to beginners, but to advanced learners who want to practice thinking
lojbanically.

>>
>>
>> > However, the basic idea is
>> > 1. Situational dialogs.
>> > 2. Universal situations
>> >
>> > If the second item cannot be implemented I suggest creating >> > country-specific dialogs.
>> > So you open the phrasebook, open "Greetings" sectio= n, open "Japan"
>> > subsection and see how to correctly greet people in Japanese.=
>>
>> I added some phrases specific to Japanese. Check up the phrasebook= if
>> the style is reasonable.
>
>
> Exactly in this place that you added the phrasebook has started lookin= g very
> nice. Such problems were not predicted by me, but I can see that they = can
> and are being solved. We just need to search for and add more sentence= s.
> Sentences of dialogs with low importance can be moved to the end of th= e list
> (last rows).
>
> As for developing the phrasebook. Imagine that you bought a ticket (1)= to
> lojbanistan. You arrive at the airport (2)/bus station (3). Now you ne= ed a
> taxi (3).
> After paying the driver you get to the hotel (4). Then you visit a
> soccer/basketball/whatever match (5) as the Olympic Games are currentl= y held
> in lojbanistan. Then you visit a museum (6) and suddenly realise that = you
> are hungry. So using OpenStreet map application or asking passersby (8= ) you
> go to a restaurant (7).
>
> Try describing all those situations in your native language and then i= n
> lojban. Imagine that your city will be one of the capitals of lojbanis= tan.
> Find more situations. And finally add that to the phrasebook.
>
>

OK, I will continue improving the phrasebook when I have time.<= br>
For today, I corrected some Lojban phrases in the "age talk" cate= gory
of the phrasebook.
The dialog I've picked up for the example of "malglico" was c= orrected
as follows:
{do pu jmive ze'a lo nanca be li xo --- repa / mi pu jmive ze'a lo<= br> nanca be li repa}
Many other expressions are possible for the same scene, =A0but I think
this one is the most reasonable from a neutral, scientific and
practical point of view. To apply the phrase to the age of jmive like
babies, pet animals, bacteria etc., simply replace {nanca} to any
other time unit {masti}, {jeftu}, {djedi}, {cacra}, {mentu}, {snidu}.

mu'o

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