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I seriously suggest ke / -kem-. In fact, I thought about raising the point
earlier, when I saw {za'i surla kei barda bloti} which is a "(relaxingly
big) boat".
Anyway, I have a more constructive suggestion for "private": what about
{tolgubni} ?

gubni = x1 is public/jointly owned/accessible to x2.
tolgubni = pei x1 is private, owned/accesible only to x2.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 14 September 2012 09:35, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> > My only objection to the use of sivni is that sivni is private as in
> private
> > thoughts, but I don't really have a better alternative. "Private
> property"
> > isn't property kept hidden or in secret, it's merely something owned by
> an
> > individual (or sometimes a small group of individuals like in the case of
> > family-owned and timeshares). But as I said, I don't have any good
> > alternatives- I don't think pukypreposblo is better.
>
> pukypreposblo = pluka ke prenu ponse bloti
>
> The objection I have about this is that a yacht is not necessarily
> private in terms of possession, but it's private in terms of usage. A
> cruise ship holds many passengers which are brought together by a
> cruise ship agency, and many of those passengers most likely don't
> know each other. A yacht may be owned by a yacht charter business, and
> many are; but it's mostly chartered by families or group of friends,
> or maybe even by coworkers; so it's more likely privately *used*.
>
> And yes, that's my uncertainty about sivni; it has "private" on its
> definition, but it seemed to be more about confidentiality althought I
> was not sure.
>
> mu'o mi'e betsemes
>
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I seriously suggest ke / -kem-. In fact, I thought about raising the point =
earlier, when I saw {za&#39;i surla kei barda bloti} which is a &quot;(rela=
xingly big) boat&quot;.<div>Anyway, I have a more constructive suggestion f=
or &quot;private&quot;: what about {tolgubni} ?</div>

<div><br></div><div>gubni =3D x1 is public/jointly owned/accessible to x2.<=
/div><div>tolgubni =3D pei x1 is private, owned/accesible only to x2.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o<br><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">

On 14 September 2012 09:35, Betsemes <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:betsemes@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">betsemes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im">On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; My only objection to the use of sivni is that sivni is private as in p=
rivate<br>
&gt; thoughts, but I don&#39;t really have a better alternative. &quot;Priv=
ate property&quot;<br>
&gt; isn&#39;t property kept hidden or in secret, it&#39;s merely something=
 owned by an<br>
&gt; individual (or sometimes a small group of individuals like in the case=
 of<br>
&gt; family-owned and timeshares). But as I said, I don&#39;t have any good=
<br>
&gt; alternatives- I don&#39;t think pukypreposblo is better.<br>
<br>
</div>pukypreposblo =3D pluka ke prenu ponse bloti<br>
<br>
The objection I have about this is that a yacht is not necessarily<br>
private in terms of possession, but it&#39;s private in terms of usage. A<b=
r>
cruise ship holds many passengers which are brought together by a<br>
cruise ship agency, and many of those passengers most likely don&#39;t<br>
know each other. A yacht may be owned by a yacht charter business, and<br>
many are; but it&#39;s mostly chartered by families or group of friends,<br=
>
or maybe even by coworkers; so it&#39;s more likely privately *used*.<br>
<br>
And yes, that&#39;s my uncertainty about sivni; it has &quot;private&quot; =
on its<br>
definition, but it seemed to be more about confidentiality althought I<br>
was not sure.<br>
<div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e betsemes<br>
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