Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:52190) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TDnav-0002oL-I7; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:31:33 -0700 Received: by ggcs5 with SMTP id s5sf6153030ggc.16 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:31:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=VxerG+xO3jViqboo6RoD/R+R2s44ViNIiw+ETNyqlgc=; b=kaHTuw5bim8NxChpgq+vtPIZDIDZiEHEcjjhAsT/MlAtsXPfGy2HyPrr+8D2JDZhhd hg2xtHoUG/v4+WBF7h8CLQWrzuobGyuvJuySGz4Wysz+vdxPEWn/Vf8OzY+39pmhQnox m7paN4GvCL60IoE3CBkIiorzA+wKo5YDO6sCfdymKM59y2hm7fCKvmFdxb/ltcMEYPbY YQ1l1O/2fNPT5ellE6KDdxqMxdpmPBGRMZjpEQENUppoKINWA9uvTtEmodn4XJYBTgg7 idm2YPiDDZP/N8AOhj5OdfHNb28M55R1gT3HVVYBaQzEkx6YUaYrblzTzN+qLtO2goqL ONVg== Received: by 10.52.35.84 with SMTP id f20mr1138938vdj.3.1347935478858; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:31:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.73.72 with SMTP id j8ls1677025vdv.7.gmail; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.65.74 with SMTP id v10mr1125521vds.18.1347935478194; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:31:17 -0700 (PDT) From: djandus To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <201208171852.53100.phma@phma.optus.nu> Subject: Re: [lojban] "turn on" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: jandew@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jandew@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jandew@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_719_19141166.1347935477284" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_719_19141166.1347935477284 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah, thank you! I did not know of {sazri}. {zilsazri} makes a lot more sense for an operatorless "turn on". I can imagine {zilsazri} with definition: x1 [apparatus/machine] is "on"/working, fullfilling its goal/use/function x2. mu'o mi'e djos On Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:16:25 AM UTC-5, gejyspa wrote: > > If this is still open for discussion, I'd prefer using sazri as the base > gismu, because "pilno" is too broad. You can pilno things i.e. lo valsi > that don't "turn on", whereas sazri has to be (outside metaphorical use) a > cabra or minji, basically. > --gejsypa > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/3NdH-5pDyEIJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_719_19141166.1347935477284 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, thank you! I did not know of {sazri}. {zilsazri} makes a lot more sense= for an operatorless "turn on".

I can imagine {zilsazri}= with definition: x1 [apparatus/machine] is "on"/working, fullfilling its g= oal/use/function x2.

mu'o mi'e djos

On Sunday, September 16, = 2012 12:16:25 AM UTC-5, gejyspa wrote:
  If this is still open for discussion, I'd p= refer using sazri as the base gismu, because "pilno" is too broad. You can = pilno things i.e. lo valsi that don't "turn on", whereas sazri has to be (o= utside metaphorical use) a cabra or minji, basically.
      --gejsypa

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