Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:34782) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TE09V-0001OY-Be; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:56:05 -0700 Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2sf112274pbb.16 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:55:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; bh=X+RiDojtfL/oO1tvFMeU6Urgi6dN2Q3aVd5rnQymxS0=; b=jBwvcjGuLbRWXGD6/YAsyf5a1tD+Xrqw57E8t9D4ibDKCCbDa1ukkEGK3wURiy0Me2 MF97bIgQtLQ+eN/ZCRkkOhfwQ2+wHxDIUC5gtK23bmo+WyidhAtHCqXv8hhiIq80GrEx afbKCfJnI5zX4JU9QFdsIAKtB/aCC2FABGhEdK6Zc1IUZfYFT5sunRmPwXGL9Muyk9jw BiyP//VmBwhqnfLVk/ZoTD3iEt8K6lIcZqt+d6QdEtjSPOtMO9hR5RESFrhsGbV79a07 FxlJt4mg6AUKspf/aPlkLUoBBYrr7WUtOH4LAw13OCAhuFpWBaCKiGlt7tiupHCKkl1X 3T+g== Received: by 10.50.207.101 with SMTP id lv5mr217872igc.5.1347983749496; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:55:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.178.99 with SMTP id cx3ls7972872igc.2.canary; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.51.137 with SMTP id vi9mr103290icb.16.1347983749006; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.51.137 with SMTP id vi9mr103289icb.16.1347983748995; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.clanspum.net (twopir-2-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net. [2001:470:1f10:1b9::2]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gk9si2840582igc.2.2012.09.18.08.55.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of fusion@clanspum.net designates 2001:470:1f10:1b9::2 as permitted sender) client-ip=2001:470:1f10:1b9::2; Received: by mail.clanspum.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B1C15224583; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:55:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:55:47 -0500 From: Daniel Lyons To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban, Pimsleur-style (Unit 1) Message-ID: <20120918155547.GA26061@clanspum.net> References: <50588B91.1060702@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50588B91.1060702@gmx.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: fusion@storytotell.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of fusion@clanspum.net designates 2001:470:1f10:1b9::2 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=fusion@clanspum.net Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / > Here are my suggestions: >=20 > >"Excuse me" > > .u'u ju'i > > [sorry] [attention] >=20 > Note that if you keep on talking after this, you must use ".i" or > "do'u" or else the next word might get absorbed by the "ju'i". It would be incorrect to insert the .i here unconditionally though, right? > >"Yes, a little." > > cmalu go'i >=20 > I'd say "go'i milxe", or explictly say that you are not an expert > using "certu": > "go'i .i ku'i na certu" ("Yes, but I'm not an expert") for example. I'd prefer "go'i milxe" in that case, since it's so much shorter. > >"Do you speak English?" > > =BFxu do tavla fo la glicobau? >=20 > xu do se glibau >=20 > Also, glicobau is not a correct lujvo. It should be either > "glicybau", or "glibau". Thanks! > >"No, I do not speak English." > > na go'i .i mi na tavla fo la glicobau. >=20 > na go'i .i mi na se bangu [lo glico] >=20 > I would not necessarily include lo glico, because it's obvious from > context, since the question already was about lo glico. It's more > lojbanic to leave out obvious things. True. I'll probably do it both ways. Part of the fun of Pimsleur is that it makes you construct the sentences several different ways. Thanks for all your help! --=20 Daniel Lyons --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.