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Am 19.09.2012 07:24, schrieb Daniel Lyons:
> On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, September 17, 2012 09:49:28 Daniel Lyons wrote:
>>> coi rodo. I've been learning Lojban off-and-on for a while and would li=
ke to
>>> contribute some Pimsleur-style audio lessons. Before recording, I want =
to
>>> be sure my translations are correct. Please double check me:
>>>
>>> "Excuse me"
>>>   .u'u ju'i
>>>   [sorry] [attention]
>> How about "ta'a do"?
> That looks better to me. Thanks!

Maybe if you care about politeness, you could add .e'a pei: "ta'a .e'a=20
pei do" ~ "am I allowed to interrupt you?".

>
>>> "Do you speak lojban?"
>>>   =C2=BFxu do tavla fo la lojban?
>> xu do se bangu la lojban?
> I prefer the brevity of xu do se lojbau. Maybe include both and a little =
comparison?

Note that -loj- is the rafsi for logji and -jbo- is the one for lojbo.=20
lojbau sounds more like a general loglang to me.

>
> Early units in Pimsleur often spend a lot of time comparing what happens =
when addressing men versus women and making statements versus asking questi=
ons because most languages make distinctions there. Lojban doesn't have the=
se complications. I'm inclined to respond by making the lessons shorter but=
 the alternatives, such as including more supporting material or simply cov=
ering more material per lesson, should be considered.
>
>>> "No."
>>>   na go'i
>>>
>>> "Yes, a little."
>>>   cmalu go'i
>> I don't know what you get when you make a tanru with "go'i". "cmalu se b=
angu
>> be fa mi bei la lojban"? "mi cmalu se bangu la lojban"?
> I'm not really in a position to argue it, but I'll note respectfully that=
 the reference grammar shows this:
>
> [...]
>
> The presence of GOhA there suggests to me that "go'i" can appear in a tan=
ru unit, and that the meaning would be exactly that suggested by the tanru =
algorithm in the book, so "milxe go'i" would mean "weak type-of (previous b=
ridi)" or "yes, weakly," which seems (to me) like what would be implied in =
English by "a little."

Yes, GOhA are selbri. Using go'i in a tanru does the same as any other=20
tanru, in this case the following happens:

A: xu do se bangu lo lojbo
B: go'i milxe

Here "go'i" stands for "se bangu be fa mi bei lo lojbo be'o" and thus=20
the tanru is "se bangu be fa mi bei lo lojbo be'o milxe", which you=20
could expand to "milxe lo ka se bangu lo lojbo", the mi in milxe1 is=20
implicit.


>
>> Anyway "milxe" is better. You could also say "ja'a ru'e go'i".
> No disagreement there. Is "ru'e" important in that expression?

Yes, it turns it from "I do speak Lojban" into "I barely speak Lojban".

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

--=20
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
    .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
    .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
    .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku

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