Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 03:16:47 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [lojban] CCL and xorlo
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I was just wondering if anyone is working on updating the CCL (or any 
learning materials for that matter) to correct for xorlo?

I remember hearing or reading somewhere (for the life of me I can't recall 
the source) a few days ago that it was being worked on but I've failed to 
find any information about such a thing. I only ask because I want to try 
taking a crack at learning lojban again but I'd rather wait until the 
online CCL thing is updated with xorlo. I find the thought of learning 
lojban while trying to figure out how it really works with xorlo instead. 
Leads to me being very confused and frustrated I suppose. So I occasionally 
click on the lojban website, check to see if the CCL has had xorlo 
incorporated and it never is so I end it at that. Rinse and repeat. 

I really could go through the effort of course, but I'm a weirdo who's mind 
does not work in his own favor, so I frustrate easily, constantly obsessing 
over learning it right the first time and not worrying that this xorlo 
thing. I like learning from the CCL, reading over all the details and 
quirks of the language, its like a fun language puzzle to me. It makes me 
think a lot, and makes me want to write stuff and explore this language 
like an odd puzzle. I'm nerdy like that I suppose. So having one resource 
without having to mentally wonder wtf is different in actual current lojban 
use since there seems to be no way to learn lojban post-xorlo like I want. 
So it seems my two options are: learn lojban as it currently resides within 
the online reference grammar book thing, then after all that update my 
knowledge to accommodate the xorlo proposal, or have the xorlo proposal 
page in another tab (as i've done before) while reading the section of the 
CCL (I forget the acronym for the online version, my apologies) reading 
that and switching between the two and rewriting the info to incorporate 
xorlo. But I seem to lose motivation quite quickly unfortunately due to the 
daunting task, and remembering that I probably would have to go through the 
rest of the book as well to update stuff. I don't know, I'm crazy I guess.

Now moving past that rambling nonsense I'll come to my second question, how 
long ago was this xorlo proposal approved? I don't know about the date but 
I think its safe to say at least three years, I really don't know however. 
So why is it in all that time, there seems to have been no attempt (or 
rather no successful attempts) of changing the learning materials for this 
xorlo thing? Its a pretty big change in the language, though not too big I 
suppose. And for a newbie like me at least, seeing this big change and 
trying to learn with all the materials not using it, is very confusing and 
for me at least because as previously stated I am crazy, frustrating. 
Perhaps its a lot of work, in fact I know it is and I am very appreciative 
to anyone and everyone who has worked on lojban and teaching those curious. 
And I know there is a lot of work being done right now on aspects of the 
language, though I don't have much knowledge about what exactly this work 
is. From what I know its going over cmavo mostly and doing important things 
like finishing the language but again I'm not quite sure exactly how people 
are doing that. I'm very glad this is happening and people are doing this, 
but it seems all the effort is going towards "perfecting" the language 
which is quite a noble goal, but seems to be taking all the effort away 
from getting the language to grow. And by that I mean, getting more people 
to learn lojban and grow the community. The extra interest may lead to 
extra man power for all of this work I suspect.

Perhaps I'm wrong about all this, I admit I'm not very knowledgeable about 
the community at the moment. So I was just wondering what's going on with 
things these days? I'm trying trying to get back into lojban, but I feel as 
though at the moment that its not worth getting into if the community is 
divided and/or isn't quite focused on gaining more members to lojban. I'm 
not stating that is a fact at all, perhaps its exactly the opposite, I'm 
simply stating what it currently feels like to me at least. 

P.S. Thank you for reading and sorry for rambling on too long, I tend to do 
that when I type late at night lol.

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I was just wondering if anyone is working on updating the CCL (or any learn=
ing materials for that matter) to correct for xorlo?<br><br>I remember hear=
ing or reading somewhere (for the life of me I can't recall the source) a f=
ew days ago that it was being worked on but I've failed to find any informa=
tion about such a thing. I only ask because I want to try taking a crack at=
 learning lojban again but I'd rather wait until the online CCL thing is up=
dated with xorlo. I find the thought of learning lojban while trying to fig=
ure out how it really works with xorlo instead. Leads to me being very conf=
used and frustrated I suppose. So I occasionally click on the lojban websit=
e, check to see if the CCL has had xorlo incorporated and it never is so I =
end it at that. Rinse and repeat. <br><br>I really could go through the eff=
ort of course, but I'm a weirdo who's mind does not work in his own favor, =
so I frustrate easily, constantly obsessing over learning it right the firs=
t time and not worrying that this xorlo thing. I like learning from the CCL=
, reading over all the details and quirks of the language, its like a fun l=
anguage puzzle to me. It makes me think a lot, and makes me want to write s=
tuff and explore this language like an odd puzzle. I'm nerdy like that I su=
ppose. So having one resource without having to mentally wonder wtf is diff=
erent in actual current lojban use since there seems to be no way to learn =
lojban post-xorlo like I want. So it seems my two options are: learn lojban=
 as it currently resides within the online reference grammar book thing, th=
en after all that update my knowledge to accommodate the xorlo proposal, or=
 have the xorlo proposal page in another tab (as i've done before) while re=
ading the section of the CCL (I forget the acronym for the online version, =
my apologies) reading that and switching between the two and rewriting the =
info to incorporate xorlo. But I seem to lose motivation quite quickly unfo=
rtunately due to the daunting task, and remembering that I probably would h=
ave to go through the rest of the book as well to update stuff. I don't kno=
w, I'm crazy I guess.<br><br>Now moving past that rambling nonsense I'll co=
me to my second question, how long ago was this xorlo proposal approved? I =
don't know about the date but I think its safe to say at least three years,=
 I really don't know however. So why is it in all that time, there seems to=
 have been no attempt (or rather no successful attempts) of changing the le=
arning materials for this xorlo thing? Its a pretty big change in the langu=
age, though not too big I suppose. And for a newbie like me at least, seein=
g this big change and trying to learn with all the materials not using it, =
is very confusing and for me at least because as previously stated I am cra=
zy, frustrating. Perhaps its a lot of work, in fact I know it is and I am v=
ery appreciative to anyone and everyone who has worked on lojban and teachi=
ng those curious. And I know there is a lot of work being done right now on=
 aspects of the language, though I don't have much knowledge about what exa=
ctly this work is. From what I know its going over cmavo mostly and doing i=
mportant things like finishing the language but again I'm not quite sure ex=
actly how people are doing that. I'm very glad this is happening and people=
 are doing this, but it seems all the effort is going towards "perfecting" =
the language which is quite a noble goal, but seems to be taking all the ef=
fort away from getting the language to grow. And by that I mean, getting mo=
re people to learn lojban and grow the community. The extra interest may le=
ad to extra man power for all of this work I suspect.<br><br>Perhaps I'm wr=
ong about all this, I admit I'm not very knowledgeable about the community =
at the moment. So I was just wondering what's going on with things these da=
ys? I'm trying trying to get back into lojban, but I feel as though at the =
moment that its not worth getting into if the community is divided and/or i=
sn't quite focused on gaining more members to lojban. I'm not stating that =
is a fact at all, perhaps its exactly the opposite, I'm simply stating what=
 it currently feels like to me at least. <br><br>P.S. Thank you for reading=
 and sorry for rambling on too long, I tend to do that when I type late at =
night lol.<br>

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