On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:16 AM, <jsem= eria92@gmail.com> wrote:

I was just wondering if anyone is working on updating the CCL (or any learn= ing materials for that matter) to correct for xorlo?

I remember hear= ing or reading somewhere (for the life of me I can't recall the source)= a few days ago that it was being worked on but I've failed to find any= information about such a thing. I only ask because I want to try taking a = crack at learning lojban again but I'd rather wait until the online CCL= thing is updated with xorlo. I find the thought of learning lojban while t= rying to figure out how it really works with xorlo instead. Leads to me bei= ng very confused and frustrated I suppose. So I occasionally click on the l= ojban website, check to see if the CCL has had xorlo incorporated and it ne= ver is so I end it at that. Rinse and repeat.

I really could go through the effort of course, but I'm a weirdo wh= o's mind does not work in his own favor, so I frustrate easily, constan= tly obsessing over learning it right the first time and not worrying that t= his xorlo thing. I like learning from the CCL, reading over all the details= and quirks of the language, its like a fun language puzzle to me. It makes= me think a lot, and makes me want to write stuff and explore this language= like an odd puzzle. I'm nerdy like that I suppose. So having one resou= rce without having to mentally wonder wtf is different in actual current lo= jban use since there seems to be no way to learn lojban post-xorlo like I w= ant. So it seems my two options are: learn lojban as it currently resides w= ithin the online reference grammar book thing, then after all that update m= y knowledge to accommodate the xorlo proposal, or have the xorlo proposal p= age in another tab (as i've done before) while reading the section of t= he CCL (I forget the acronym for the online version, my apologies) reading = that and switching between the two and rewriting the info to incorporate xo= rlo. But I seem to lose motivation quite quickly unfortunately due to the d= aunting task, and remembering that I probably would have to go through the = rest of the book as well to update stuff. I don't know, I'm crazy I= guess.

Now moving past that rambling nonsense I'll come to my second quest= ion, how long ago was this xorlo proposal approved? I don't know about = the date but I think its safe to say at least three years, I really don'= ;t know however. So why is it in all that time, there seems to have been no= attempt (or rather no successful attempts) of changing the learning materi= als for this xorlo thing? Its a pretty big change in the language, though n= ot too big I suppose. And for a newbie like me at least, seeing this big ch= ange and trying to learn with all the materials not using it, is very confu= sing and for me at least because as previously stated I am crazy, frustrati= ng. Perhaps its a lot of work, in fact I know it is and I am very appreciat= ive to anyone and everyone who has worked on lojban and teaching those curi= ous. And I know there is a lot of work being done right now on aspects of t= he language, though I don't have much knowledge about what exactly this= work is. From what I know its going over cmavo mostly and doing important = things like finishing the language but again I'm not quite sure exactly= how people are doing that. I'm very glad this is happening and people = are doing this, but it seems all the effort is going towards "perfecti= ng" the language which is quite a noble goal, but seems to be taking a= ll the effort away from getting the language to grow. And by that I mean, g= etting more people to learn lojban and grow the community. The extra intere= st may lead to extra man power for all of this work I suspect.

Perhaps I'm wrong about all this, I admit I'm not very knowledg= eable about the community at the moment. So I was just wondering what's= going on with things these days? I'm trying trying to get back into lo= jban, but I feel as though at the moment that its not worth getting into if= the community is divided and/or isn't quite focused on gaining more me= mbers to lojban. I'm not stating that is a fact at all, perhaps its exa= ctly the opposite, I'm simply stating what it currently feels like to m= e at least.

P.S. Thank you for reading and sorry for rambling on too long, I tend t= o do that when I type late at night lol.

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