Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:51170) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TEPiJ-0003cn-U4; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:13:42 -0700 Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3sf1217503obb.16 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:13:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=kZHRvIeEwsRrue4MF2ecDu7YzhKdsgW5g+fuU6MaAs4=; b=Cmxg6w8Ws78A3WWJgzPU2mc9A7Ouk0BjCNa8q7okNqlnU3QXycQt63xeiT+b3NApGr Takchzsb5Fp06NZUl8xVotcg/GjlPKuLksFIi2T1a9nGXRZhST6iQozljy/pSXHKgf4J rFLPOQibh5ZVuDzjAlKVdADG1QQWOxY5d9suu/VexEF1dtv27cVYdnE3wPA2gwCiA5Vl KtiOy/OWoFK1m71HujSWxB5N0/8KJGNk+1M2FXadCAZWk016WAbzUV9p9RZcCQS54Bvs iCUH9bEoBvP5e2UeLkYKSSExxeFz3UqYmgZsPXvC2F5S7mRgme0dKPMr+8WTc49VZfgb F7KA== Received: by 10.50.157.225 with SMTP id wp1mr302283igb.0.1348082001609; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:13:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.51.234 with SMTP id n10ls11088433igo.3.canary; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.8.132 with SMTP id os4mr1975231icb.22.1348082001123; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.8.132 with SMTP id os4mr1975230icb.22.1348082001112; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.clanspum.net (twopir-2-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net. [2001:470:1f10:1b9::2]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gk9si3665338igc.2.2012.09.19.12.13.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of fusion@clanspum.net designates 2001:470:1f10:1b9::2 as permitted sender) client-ip=2001:470:1f10:1b9::2; Received: by mail.clanspum.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CD413224583; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:13:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:13:19 -0500 From: Daniel Lyons To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] CCL and xorlo Message-ID: <20120919191319.GD29682@clanspum.net> References: <7deaac69-374a-4cb2-bff6-b45d8c8c7d31@googlegroups.com> <20120919161914.GB29682@clanspum.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: fusion@storytotell.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of fusion@clanspum.net designates 2001:470:1f10:1b9::2 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=fusion@clanspum.net Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 02:59:50PM -0400, MorphemeAddict wrote: > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Daniel Lyons wrote: > > > Hi jsemeria. I'm also new here. > > > > I went through the same thought process. I wound up deciding to just > > learn from the CLL for these reasons: > > > > - The CLL is still prominently linked to on lojban.org > > - My impression is that getting xorlo wrong amounts to using 'le' instead > > of 'lo' > > - I have a paper copy of CLL > > - Waiting is boring > > > > As another outsider, I share some of your frustration, if not at the > > same magnitude. I only knew about jbovlaste so I wrote > > http://www.7gf.org/lojban/ before I found out about > > http://vlasisku.lojban.org/ ; > > > Looking at the cloud of selma'o (grammatical classes) at vlasisku makes me > wonder. Is there any way to drastically reduce the number of selma'o? Some of these classes have just one entity in them. For example: BE - be BEI - bei BEhO - be'o All three of those are basically one concept. -- Daniel Lyons -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.