Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:42802) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TEPjK-0003ec-V9; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:14:47 -0700 Received: by weyu3 with SMTP id u3sf504296wey.16 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:14:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id :date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RwQn+RMbMIX46MwF+OFQe/a74KvArsfo9qHR+0bkr8M=; b=eoRlBMkoxXJjbHdcawNOqMn+a2I2CqY/zxzJak4k1om3TvH60J1UqpEPpIZVPfPScR fAkVc3xE96iahb9f0Kn/eTI55AvoxV4aUgPmp2XbBbxWYDhB1El+uw5mYYIwxysDVY4D +/3sfXqmGOQ4nHqwKClxPERwCcb5DasLIOmB9w9RV4vPkbunDVkmb/WZvodf9ulXFbdC MX5pCDj3UeNJr2gyIF8LTtLVajSmhGRkGnheU747ASUnAO1M3Xr/70UfHfjfA2NHX6tM Y9gQXiBfnMF3HXpnRkGZamLMwcE2Mps+zJ3/mQC4t4E5dQftSFtUJ2F7mExdlraq9oBk hLzA== Received: by 10.216.194.141 with SMTP id m13mr128748wen.23.1348082071151; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:14:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.50.78 with SMTP id y56ls2081721web.3.gmail; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.24.135 with SMTP id u7mr86388wif.3.1348082068739; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.24.135 with SMTP id u7mr86386wif.3.1348082068704; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net. [213.165.64.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id hm1si347450wib.3.2012.09.19.12.14.28; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.22; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Sep 2012 19:14:22 -0000 Received: from p57A09124.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.145.36] by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 19 Sep 2012 21:14:22 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/SL6A/RYHSG1zdiNACQSmX15yKKvLmYhdF3lJbYo HnBCtgLHlyarSz Message-ID: <505A1989.8030203@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:14:17 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] CCL and xorlo References: <7deaac69-374a-4cb2-bff6-b45d8c8c7d31@googlegroups.com> <20120919161914.GB29682@clanspum.net> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Am 19.09.2012 20:59, schrieb MorphemeAddict: > Looking at the cloud of selma'o (grammatical classes) at vlasisku=20 > makes me wonder. Is there any way to drastically reduce the number of=20 > selma'o? There are some ways to reduce it a little bit, for example merging lots=20 of connective selma'o (JOI, JA, VUhU) and removing some "unncessary"=20 ones like CAI and NAI and RAhO and moving them all to UI etc. But you'd=20 still end up with a high number of selma'o I think. Another way to get=20 rid of a lot of selma'o is to use grammatical tone, like gua\spi. That=20 language only has five selma'o. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.