Received: from mail-ie0-f189.google.com ([209.85.223.189]:55153) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TEQBo-0003sk-Bn; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:44:08 -0700 Received: by iea13 with SMTP id 13sf65080iea.16 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:43:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1na+QcpbnR4yY+jujQYFIki3yR83Y3/g5fPEyDMkgoo=; b=Y9NRuk5UyhPVhtg9fTpSQUtpuRW7ROD40XqQwhobjCdF+zwU7+FghxcfiZw9rYk+nZ 9oru8lDDSJuY+s6Kujf4otlSQz+tWvTmxGbNTzNSLgfyxWDysHr/iqaaYUbxvRE7kxxK QbfGJCPCV+GvQaWswQxT4CTscJXE9WJc4Jd0H89EaqhIcxy7lOO5TDgmDQ6eZOVeBiQu CcIXGhBxto0bbYE2ROEJGuLC4vxZbuLE7iWMAK3BQQ712TrMscbG7B8jVBOQ2Yoexx5B jjJ9Sx0oWLQV/Z3OY6jNarsD8M12ho12/WUsszcF11bMcD3tlR6pF5KcsdQycPxMyJDM 58BQ== Received: by 10.50.36.194 with SMTP id s2mr204537igj.2.1348083837862; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:43:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.1.212 with SMTP id 20ls1627033ibg.9.gmail; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.57.79 with SMTP id c15mr2106846ich.33.1348083837301; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.57.79 with SMTP id c15mr2106845ich.33.1348083837283; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f173.google.com (mail-ie0-f173.google.com [209.85.223.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id mb9si3677002igc.1.2012.09.19.12.43.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.223.173; Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id c10so2688236ieb.18 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.5.133 with SMTP id s5mr3689137igs.49.1348083837140; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:43:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.148.40 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:43:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <505A1989.8030203@gmx.de> References: <7deaac69-374a-4cb2-bff6-b45d8c8c7d31@googlegroups.com> <20120919161914.GB29682@clanspum.net> <505A1989.8030203@gmx.de> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:43:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] CCL and xorlo To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f5035103d7dc404ca133ab8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f5035103d7dc404ca133ab8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:14 PM, selpa'i wrote: > Am 19.09.2012 20:59, schrieb MorphemeAddict: > > Looking at the cloud of selma'o (grammatical classes) at vlasisku makes >> me wonder. Is there any way to drastically reduce the number of selma'o? >> > > There are some ways to reduce it a little bit, for example merging lots o= f > connective selma'o (JOI, JA, VUhU) and removing some "unncessary" ones li= ke > CAI and NAI and RAhO and moving them all to UI etc. But you'd still end u= p > with a high number of selma'o I think. Another way to get rid of a lot of > selma'o is to use grammatical tone, like gua\spi. That language only has > five selma'o. > This tinkering with the selma'o would result in an insignificant reduction in their number. Gua\spi may get by with only five 'selma'o', but it's not just because it uses tones. The large number of Lojban selma'o strikes me as way overblown. stevo > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > -- > pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo > > do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u > .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u > ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu > .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi > gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi > .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@** > googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/lojban?hl=3Den . > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:14 PM, selpa&#= 39;i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 19.09.2012 20:59, schrieb MorphemeAddict:

Looking at the cloud of selma'o (grammatical classes) at vlasisku makes= me wonder. Is there any way to drastically reduce the number of selma'= o?

There are some ways to reduce it a little bit, for example merging lots of = connective selma'o (JOI, JA, VUhU) and removing some "unncessary&q= uot; ones like CAI and NAI and RAhO and moving them all to UI etc. But you&= #39;d still end up with a high number of selma'o I think. Another way t= o get rid of a lot of selma'o is to use grammatical tone, like gua\spi.= That language only has five selma'o.

This tinkering with the selma'o would = result in an insignificant reduction in their number. Gua\spi may get by wi= th only five 'selma'o', but it's not just because it uses t= ones.=C2=A0
The large number of Lojban selma'o strikes me as way overblown.=C2= =A0

stevo

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku
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