Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:38428) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TEQKM-0003xk-1Y; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:53:03 -0700 Received: by vbzb23 with SMTP id b23sf1257393vbz.16 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:52:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=UW0T6eIQSkvy0RnYfEgyWHZIXd5xtoW6CAcleM/lVck=; b=y0ytO+CwOFnXOPahvqVZKNO73OA6/fNUeSl4aYs24eDMRBkF4rJZGdTtXih60hVmCH VBAlwqqqlgY6H7I+NvWj3ZjxicXJXbkHQHuF2ybEAPhuWq7uAQMQeHuQAcLqDtc/vpn4 SUI4U4r1AGOe2f+ebi9Q5GER/+A0ihd6IO6kOQHZOYS4CVINJBSc3wwpf+xZMINjOEb/ 7bK/wCOK/BCB5rDuHz92uEoI7kASfytfKLtvNhhjgFrm02swZTsB2v0ZIiRcuZRHgaKo JNDXOxM4aL/m98NOtcDAZrMA8C4mvxGefh+lDo8p/CTm1J58Iyg4gVkfMogKCtZiBHw8 Y+IA== Received: by 10.52.30.133 with SMTP id s5mr1004469vdh.10.1348084366975; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:52:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.148.143 with SMTP id p15ls1242341vcv.9.gmail; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.65.77 with SMTP id v13mr973795vds.0.1348084366400; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.65.77 with SMTP id v13mr973793vds.0.1348084366382; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com (mail-vc0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z16si202138vdf.0.2012.09.19.12.52.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.174; Received: by vcbfo13 with SMTP id fo13so1969495vcb.33 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.132.241 with SMTP id ox17mr2622636veb.42.1348084366147; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:52:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.92.48 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:52:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7deaac69-374a-4cb2-bff6-b45d8c8c7d31@googlegroups.com> <20120919161914.GB29682@clanspum.net> <505A1989.8030203@gmx.de> From: Jacob Errington Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:52:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] CCL and xorlo To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6dcbd4c57e9204ca1359d4 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b6dcbd4c57e9204ca1359d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recall reading once a post by xorxes I think, reducing the selma'o into a handful, although if I recall correctly, it was pretty drastic. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o On 19 September 2012 15:43, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:14 PM, selpa'i wrote: > >> Am 19.09.2012 20:59, schrieb MorphemeAddict: >> >> Looking at the cloud of selma'o (grammatical classes) at vlasisku makes >>> me wonder. Is there any way to drastically reduce the number of selma'o= ? >>> >> >> There are some ways to reduce it a little bit, for example merging lots >> of connective selma'o (JOI, JA, VUhU) and removing some "unncessary" one= s >> like CAI and NAI and RAhO and moving them all to UI etc. But you'd still >> end up with a high number of selma'o I think. Another way to get rid of = a >> lot of selma'o is to use grammatical tone, like gua\spi. That language o= nly >> has five selma'o. >> > > This tinkering with the selma'o would result in an insignificant reductio= n > in their number. Gua\spi may get by with only five 'selma'o', but it's no= t > just because it uses tones. > The large number of Lojban selma'o strikes me as way overblown. > > stevo > >> >> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i >> >> -- >> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo >> >> do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u >> .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u >> ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu >> .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi >> gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi >> .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@** >> googlegroups.com . >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/lojban?hl=3Den . >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --047d7b6dcbd4c57e9204ca1359d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recall reading once a post by xorxes I think, reducing the selma'o in= to a handful, although if I recall correctly, it was pretty drastic.
.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 19 September 2012 15:43, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:


On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 a= t 3:14 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 19.09.2012 20:59, schrieb MorphemeAddict:

Looking at the cloud of selma'o (grammatical classes) at vlasisku makes= me wonder. Is there any way to drastically reduce the number of selma'= o?

There are some ways to reduce it a little bit, for example merging lots of = connective selma'o (JOI, JA, VUhU) and removing some "unncessary&q= uot; ones like CAI and NAI and RAhO and moving them all to UI etc. But you&= #39;d still end up with a high number of selma'o I think. Another way t= o get rid of a lot of selma'o is to use grammatical tone, like gua\spi.= That language only has five selma'o.

This tinkering with the selma'o = would result in an insignificant reduction in their number. Gua\spi may get= by with only five 'selma'o', but it's not just because it = uses tones.=C2=A0
The large number of Lojban selma'o strikes me as way overblown.=C2= =A0

stevo

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

--
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku
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