Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:48155) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TEXoY-0007GL-52; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:52:44 -0700 Received: by vcbfl17 with SMTP id fl17sf1455104vcb.16 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:52:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=h8CK22b2/t82WZ2CJzy5HCMEIRqvHMAR42iGp7z+jz0=; b=zHmCtCXA5FonAewO7y7mSIP2Loue9FF1JxhN4yU/Gs9mF1qBZj2iSfa6/b/6mohhKe WNv8D9aw0OJyUsnTQN2bQS7a+8azvbzrl65Nkh7Uh0bTk2V0mt16p/vli6RFA8cp5xjj jCYLzehP5YZlzvLu0E0S0FT7fBp+pHdCJVgi8fmmFsOcaf88QvTT77FIZNMQwNetYeji Gk03quIc+KbREBpQDobmg+PSvN3y2MRuvxgbUnNxyeiq1S3inBN/wAjMGTOktASZXhfI H1PoFgG727X6+RVeBd8/SNZj31J3ByMegrRRKXc+ln/9ddCatkqVwXB73bbYTO/i1f+7 R/dw== Received: by 10.50.222.198 with SMTP id qo6mr162718igc.6.1348113146564; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:52:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.1.212 with SMTP id 20ls2264220ibg.9.gmail; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.115.73 with SMTP id fd9mr293007icc.2.1348113145947; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.115.73 with SMTP id fd9mr293006icc.2.1348113145925; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ar7si3802088igc.0.2012.09.19.20.52.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.48; Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id n16so2279102oag.35 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.27.10 with SMTP id p10mr345566oeg.49.1348113145775; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:52:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.76.132.2 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:52:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <505A34BB.4090407@gmx.de> References: <7deaac69-374a-4cb2-bff6-b45d8c8c7d31@googlegroups.com> <20120919161914.GB29682@clanspum.net> <505A1989.8030203@gmx.de> <17AD1E3D-C476-4A69-86E3-E1B42D856E90@yahoo.com> <0931c47c-ceca-4b2a-8804-37789ffd5409@googlegroups.com> <505A34BB.4090407@gmx.de> From: ".arpis." Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:52:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] CCL and xorlo To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb202642bc4ab04ca1a0d4c X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8fb202642bc4ab04ca1a0d4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On the other hand, there are also good reasons for _more_ selma'o, like that proposal for splitting PA so that some nonsensical numbers become ungrammatical. On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM, selpa'i wrote: > Am 19.09.2012 23:04, schrieb jsemeria92@gmail.com: > > Also why reduce the amount of selma'o? With my limited knowledge, I >> assume selma'o are just the names given to the different cmavo groups so= , >> even if you did reduce the number of selma'o the amount of cmavo would s= tay >> the same correct? >> > > I think he was just asking a hypothetical question. Still, some people > believe that fewer selma'o means fewer rules, which is true. The > grammatical complexity is reduced. The amount of cmavo more or less stays > the same, unless one is removed for some reason or another one is added > (more likely). > > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > -- > pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo > > do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u > .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u > ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu > .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi > gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi > .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@** > googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/lojban?hl=3Den . > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .arpis. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --e89a8fb202642bc4ab04ca1a0d4c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On the other hand, there are also good reasons for _more_ selma'o, like= that proposal for splitting PA so that some nonsensical numbers become ung= rammatical.

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:10 = PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 19.09.2012 23:04, schrieb jsemeria92@gmail.com:

Also why reduce the amount of selma'o? With my limited knowledge, I ass= ume selma'o are just the names given to the different cmavo groups so, = even if you did reduce the number of selma'o the amount of cmavo would = stay the same correct?

I think he was just asking a hypothetical question. Still, some people beli= eve that fewer selma'o means fewer rules, which is true. The grammatica= l complexity is reduced. The amount of cmavo more or less stays the same, u= nless one is removed for some reason or another one is added (more likely).=


mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku

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