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I believe that it makes sense to {catlu} events, but not to {viska} them.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 22 September 2012 14:50, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> The whole point was that this approach has issues, or at least can be
> viewed as having issues. Frankly that point has some substance to it.
> Events don't emit or reflect light, so in a strict sense they cannot be
> "seen". Arguably {viska} should be our word for strict "seeing".
>
>
> mu'o mi'e la latro'a
>
> On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 1:04 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 22.09.2012 19:02, schrieb Ian Johnson:
>>
>>  {mi viska lo plise noi farlu}. With some more twiddling you can force
>>> simultaneity if you care about it.
>>>
>>
>> Or just "mi viska lo nu lo plise cu farlu".
>>
>> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>>
>> --
>> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
>>
>> do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
>>    .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
>> ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
>>    .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
>> gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
>>    .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku
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I believe that it makes sense to {catlu} events, but not to {viska} them.<d=
iv><br></div><div>.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">On 22 September 2012 14:50, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blindbravado@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The whole point was that this approach has i=
ssues, or at least can be viewed as having issues. Frankly that point has s=
ome substance to it. Events don&#39;t emit or reflect light, so in a strict=
 sense they cannot be &quot;seen&quot;. Arguably {viska} should be our word=
 for strict &quot;seeing&quot;.<div class=3D"im HOEnZb">

<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a<br><br></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><di=
v class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 1:04 PM, =
selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=
=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 22.09.2012 19:02, schrieb Ian Johnson:<di=
v><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
{mi viska lo plise noi farlu}. With some more twiddling you can force simul=
taneity if you care about it.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Or just &quot;mi viska lo nu lo plise cu farlu&quot;.<br>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
-- <br>
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo<br>
<br>
do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC&#39;u<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i do c=C3=A0tlu ki&#39;u<br>
ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi<br>
gi&#39;e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku</font></span>=
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