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[213.165.64.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id cx9si236377wib.0.2012.09.22.12.14.20; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 12:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.22; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Sep 2012 19:14:20 -0000 Received: from p57A08FCF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.143.207] by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 22 Sep 2012 21:14:20 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+w77kZW+awZ0DdOCTb62gbt+H36/f60TibVJ57hQ D9l7fjI1ZzNK7P Message-ID: <505E0E09.7030304@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 21:14:17 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words, sort of: catlu vs. zgana References: <20111107073107.GI21492@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111118081544.GB2500@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <57e78744-ca43-461d-a0ff-5627305923fd@googlegroups.com> <20120714203726.GF30080@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <8f7c8ee6-3529-42cd-8b37-b1647295bba4@googlegroups.com> <11d882eb-8fd3-4e20-afc9-80dda2fc128a@googlegroups.com> <3222e614-449e-4885-a499-ba60ad7485d3@googlegroups.com> <505DEFA3.1010608@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Am 22.09.2012 20:50, schrieb Ian Johnson: > The whole point was that this approach has issues, or at least can be=20 > viewed as having issues. Frankly that point has some substance to it.=20 > Events don't emit or reflect light, so in a strict sense they cannot=20 > be "seen". Arguably {viska} should be our word for strict "seeing". Apart from that being very inconvenient, it's also very strange in my=20 opinion. In mi viska lo plise noi farlu how do you know that the apple is falling if you only see the apple but=20 not the event? Events are just objects in some relation to each other,=20 and that arrangement of objects reflects light like any other thing. You=20 can see a car moving by it reflecting light to you from different points=20 on its way, or an apple falling. > Am 22.09.2012 21:04, schrieb Jacob Errington: >> I believe that it makes sense to {catlu} events, but not to {viska} them= . Why? mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.