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On Friday, September 21, 2012 3:23:21 PM UTC-6, tsani wrote:
>
> {.i .u'u doi la daiv .i .e'anai ku'i mi na curmi le nu do go'i}
> For this purpose you should use {lo} (using {le} here offers no benifits 
> really. There're almost no practical cases where {le nu} is ever needed.)
> {.e'a} (and by extension {.e'anai}) is what we call an "irrealis 
> attitudinal". What that means is that it basically describes a non-real 
> world. {.e'anai do go'i} by *itself* means "I'm not letting you do that," 
> whereas {.e'anai mi na curmi lo nu do go'i} means "I'm not allowing it to 
> not be the case that I allow you to do that," which sounds approximately as 
> semantically wrong in English as it does in Lojban :p.
>

Thanks for explaining all this. I was the least certain of this one in 
particular (and "ko xabju" but I didn't see a closer word for "abide", but 
I think the ambiguity is part of the fun of that movie).

I take it either of these alternatives would be closer then:

 - .u'u doi la .dev. .ie'anai go'i
 - .u'u doi la .dev. .i ku'i mi na curmi lo nu do go'i

Is that true?

Otherwise the pictures are pretty good. The "style" is a bit weird, but 
> that's simply due to being new.
>

Hopefully that will improve as I read more.
 

> .i'osai ui .i lo cnino cu se jmina vau .a'o
>

Thanks! :)

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On Friday, September 21, 2012 3:23:21 PM UTC-6, tsani wrote:<blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">{.i .u'u doi la daiv .i .e'anai ku'i mi na cu=
rmi le nu do go'i}<div>For this purpose you should use {lo} (using {le} her=
e offers no benifits really. There're almost no practical cases where {le n=
u} is ever needed.)</div>

<div>{.e'a} (and by extension {.e'anai}) is what we call an "irrealis attit=
udinal". What that means is that it basically describes a non-real world. {=
.e'anai do go'i} by *itself* means "I'm not letting you do that," whereas {=
.e'anai mi na curmi lo nu do go'i} means "I'm not allowing it to not be the=
 case that I allow you to do that," which sounds approximately as semantica=
lly wrong in English as it does in Lojban :p.</div></blockquote><div><br>Th=
anks for explaining all this. I was the least certain of this one in partic=
ular (and "ko xabju" but I didn't see a closer word for "abide", but I thin=
k the ambiguity is part of the fun of that movie).<br><br>I take it either =
of these alternatives would be closer then:<br><br>&nbsp;- .u'u doi la .dev=
. .ie'anai go'i<br>&nbsp;- .u'u doi la .dev. .i ku'i mi na curmi lo nu do g=
o'i<br><br>Is that true?<br><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);=
 padding-left: 1ex;">

<div>Otherwise the pictures are pretty good. The "style" is a bit weird, bu=
t that's simply due to being new.</div></blockquote><div><br>Hopefully that=
 will improve as I read more.<br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204=
, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div>.i'osai ui .i lo cnino cu se jmina vau .a'=
o</div></blockquote><div><br>Thanks! :)<br></div>

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