Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:53572) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TGLN8-0002Eq-Ou; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:59:47 -0700 Received: by ghbf15 with SMTP id f15sf5812293ghb.16 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:59:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=d9ceh7qPRzllYC8CYnxcLkAfR/ML9sHUNe9S2V1Oodk=; b=uPQcFtMyLB8J658UOWZuIACVVZLmuhPB6O3NWOJY7VKfES1jR9IVfN5rDtOu1AELOo c0JVGiMxQdwg9fwM21uZqTbbvTyTFudpqZeIVr7+4fq2CrNX6jQ2vXjorikUGzsvEgyW tI9gsFZSPbNmgZmFnMBwi+g1AR2C/OuDmPerxIiFIkDBvRge+C6F6JBVM29QhhHvAvkg 2LISaLSuDWY+/tPC0cK3+06qR9nm/h+T+IwvMni5ASp50ITDY461hXhcTYGgNPrs4K5g MkNlDohUmWyRF+6hVazzQbva/DV+mJ2l+TdT++8Sl8FNc/BokuBClZEvvgDZKNbCmFZC Va3w== Received: by 10.52.70.82 with SMTP id k18mr2205068vdu.1.1348541976067; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:59:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.36.237 with SMTP id t13ls4634519vdj.3.gmail; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.175 with SMTP id o15mr3136567vdt.4.1348541975483; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.175 with SMTP id o15mr3136566vdt.4.1348541975446; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s13si991785vde.2.2012.09.24.19.59.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.170; Received: by vcbfk26 with SMTP id fk26so7872944vcb.29 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.0.82 with SMTP id 18mr8914688vec.0.1348541975189; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:59:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.92.48 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:59:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1804837.0ZoKyyodFy@caracal> From: Jacob Errington Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:59:14 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] voi To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33d346655a0904ca7de50f X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b33d346655a0904ca7de50f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "le and therefore voi"? {le} and {voi} are related only by analogy and also the informal definition of {le}, which is {le broda} == {zo'e voi broda}. I don't recall selpa'i ever abhorring {voi}, at least not nearly as much as {le}. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o On 24 September 2012 07:59, la gleki wrote: > > > On Sunday, September 23, 2012 8:14:04 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote: > >> >> >> On 23 September 2012 01:33, la gleki wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:44:42 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote: >>>> >>>> If it's being used to restrict a referent set based on a >>>> subjective/uncertain claim, then it's certainly alright. >>>> However, voi can probably be substituted with {poi pe'i} or {poi >>>> ju'oru'e}. Still, it's shorter. >>>> >>> >>> Bring him to the* la selpa'i* 's side doi la tsani ;) >>> >>> I don't really know what selpa'i 's beliefs about voi are... so I don't >> get it, .u'u. >> > > About {lo} in general and that {le} and therefore {voi} are useless. > >> >> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o >>>> >>>> On 22 September 2012 07:54, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is this an appropriate use of voi?: "ta voi citka lo bambusa cu >>>>> cionmau", >>>>> pointing at a baby panda. Baby pandas don't eat bamboo; they drink >>>>> milk like >>>>> any other mammal. >>>>> >>>>> Pierre >>>>> -- >>>>> ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@** >>>>> googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group >>>>> **/lojban?hl=en . >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >>> msg/lojban/-/6WDxF8bqMqsJ >>> . >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@** >>> googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/lojban?hl=en . >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/3UJIVuXW9IMJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --047d7b33d346655a0904ca7de50f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "le and therefore voi"? {le} and {voi} are related only by analog= y and also the informal definition of {le}, which is {le broda} =3D=3D {zo&= #39;e voi broda}.=A0

I don't recall selpa'i ever= abhorring {voi}, at least not nearly as much as {le}.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 24 September 2012 07:59, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@g= mail.com> wrote:


On Sunday, September 23, 2012 8:14:0= 4 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:


On 23 September 2012 01:33, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:44:42 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:=
If it's being used to restrict = a referent set based on a subjective/uncertain claim, then it's certain= ly alright.
However, voi can probably be substituted with {poi pe'i} or {poi ju'= ;oru'e}. Still, it's shorter.

Bring him to the la selpa'i 's side doi la tsani ;)

I don't really know what selpa'i &= #39;s beliefs about voi are... so I don't get it, .u'u.
=

About {lo} in general and that {le} = and therefore {voi} are useless.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o
=A0
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.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 22 September 2012 07:54, Pierre Abbat <ph...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
Is this an appropriate use of voi= ?: "ta voi citka lo bambusa cu cionmau",
pointing at a baby panda. Baby pandas don't eat bamboo; they drink milk= like
any other mammal.

Pierre
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