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 Content preview:  This is a project I could really find myself getting behind,
    and I also have some concerns. Would you, gleki, or someone else involved
    be willing to discuss them with me? * I'd like to hear at least a basic outline
    on the theory of why the existing Lojban wiki got to it's current (rubbish?)
    state and what will be different this time. * Sort of to the same point:
   this community starts far more projects than it finishes. This impacts the
    wiki, because a page will get written but then becomes unmaintained and eventually
    becomes part of the long tail of pages that are out of date but still vaguely
    relevant. Is starting this wiki also a commitment to curate it? Asked another
    way: is this project different from the other projects that are started but
    not completed or maintained? * Last week I needed the redirect feature of
    Lojban's tiki software enabled. I was able to contact Robin on IRC and ask
    him to enable it, and he did so later than day. Who is the support person
    for this wiki? Any idea of how responsive you'll be? * I have several templates
    that I would like to use on this wiki. They require the Cite and ParserFunctions
    extensions. Will the support person add these extensions please? /me starts
    timer. [...] 
 
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This is a project I could really find myself getting behind, and I
also have some concerns.  Would you, gleki, or someone else involved
be willing to discuss them with me?

 * I'd like to hear at least a basic outline on the theory of why the
   existing Lojban wiki got to it's current (rubbish?) state and what
   will be different this time.
 * Sort of to the same point: this community starts far more
   projects than it finishes.  This impacts the wiki, because a page
   will get written but then becomes unmaintained and eventually
   becomes part of the long tail of pages that are out of date but
   still vaguely relevant.  Is starting this wiki also a commitment
   to curate it?  Asked another way: is this project different from
   the other projects that are started but not completed or
   maintained?
 * Last week I needed the redirect feature of Lojban's tiki software
   enabled.  I was able to contact Robin on IRC and ask him to enable
   it, and he did so later than day.  Who is the support person for
   this wiki?  Any idea of how responsive you'll be?
    * I have several templates that I would like to use on this wiki.
      They require the Cite and ParserFunctions extensions.  Will the
      support person add these extensions please?  /me starts timer.

Thank you!  I have made a deep investment in mediawiki and use it in
every other community I participate in.  I'd love to see lojban.org
use this software, but I don't understand why it fixes and/or is
better than the current wiki.

-Alan

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 06:08:25PM -0700, la .lindar. wrote:
>    On Monday, 24 September 2012 11:00:45 UTC-7, .alyn.post. wrote:
> 
>      Will you describe what the mission statement (for lack of a better
>      term) for this wiki is?  Why would I edit at this address rather
>      than the wiki at [1]lojban.org?  What makes them different?
> 
>      -Alan
> 
>    The tiki on the primary Lojban website is... well... rubbish. (YMMV)
>    MediaWiki seems to provide better editing support and, most importantly, a
>    place to shove all of our discussions. It's also nice to have a brand new
>    start! So, we were hoping to get something functional and solid, and then
>    once everything looks lovely, dump it over to lojban.org and use the old
>    tiki as a historical archive. Even if we don't use it to replace
>    lojban.org's tiki several of us are going to start the effort to organise
>    things so we stop repeating arguments and instead have well-documented
>    pages about each and every word.
> 
> 
>      On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:47:47AM -0700, la gleki wrote:
>      >    Basically it's MediaWiki (the same engine as in Wikipedia). I also
>      >    installed rss and wysiwyg (for editing a-la text processor)
>      plugins.
>      >    Let's test it.
> 
>    Yaaaaaaay!!
> 
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