Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:59658) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TGQNs-0003re-L2; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:20:59 -0700 Received: by vbzb23 with SMTP id b23sf6081068vbz.16 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:20:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=k74W55T2djGK3Eij5L4BF3AgiOuibdKAdtTsgExcDo4=; b=dJUytZ54yI7ZuBfdzHz989AMOQP7qkTw0qmsRWuEwPtJepuAoJAZ+u+jXsd4cXxTbg xjUo7oiEyld620e0OitnUdQB1fp1bNmPBrSkF993wKxG55QXMg6e724HshsTjk1qH0gF TxN1lgYUEmJTwfRLj4T/DACdh+zOWpUs914WvDnj42khU5GKfKRp+n/kXziEaKtQr03E SIIiJdt0wMsiQOdXt9ZaYcfVxqpN2oVSKbfGNKPBf2WA4tp5nkj14/+V3gWF8fuf1L2u q8XLAKbzaivAMbE8GrVYkjwWHf61pdTOsjwa+m4u5fQsR8H/OfeUw0sGcDnw3hk27n00 iI5Q== Received: by 10.236.35.229 with SMTP id u65mr1952797yha.16.1348561241832; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:20:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.186.99 with SMTP id v63ls10605394yhm.1.gmail; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.181.234 with SMTP id l70mr1975358yhm.5.1348561241340; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:20:40 -0700 (PDT) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <60fce04d-798f-4bee-9b40-59405d894426@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20120925030016.GB15249@sunflowerriver.org> References: <75e248bd-5f19-4528-8b2a-f6360bca7e2f@googlegroups.com> <20120924180102.GA15249@sunflowerriver.org> <152c1c85-500f-4499-8d24-51cbd24dd8eb@googlegroups.com> <20120925030016.GB15249@sunflowerriver.org> Subject: Re: [lojban] A new Lojbanic wiki (LMW). On the threshold of the 25th anniversary of Lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2201_8578647.1348561240824" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_2201_8578647.1348561240824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:59:59 AM UTC+4, .alyn.post. wrote: > > This is a project I could really find myself getting behind, and I > also have some concerns. Would you, gleki, or someone else involved > be willing to discuss them with me? > > * I'd like to hear at least a basic outline on the theory of why the > existing Lojban wiki got to it's current (rubbish?) state and what > will be different this time. > No idea. At least three jbopre including me don't like this TWiki. * Sort of to the same point: this community starts far more > projects than it finishes. This impacts the wiki, because a page > will get written but then becomes unmaintained and eventually > becomes part of the long tail of pages that are out of date but > still vaguely relevant. Is starting this wiki also a commitment > to curate it? Asked another way: is this project different from > the other projects that are started but not completed or > maintained? > Just a better engine. > * Last week I needed the redirect feature of Lojban's tiki software > enabled. I was able to contact Robin on IRC and ask him to enable > it, and he did so later than day. Who is the support person for > this wiki? Any idea of how responsive you'll be? > No idea. But... CURRENTLY WE ARE ONLY TESTING THIS MEDIAWIKI. If this server is not stable we would probably move to another one, may be Robin can help us with hosting. * I have several templates that I would like to use on this wiki. > They require the Cite and ParserFunctions extensions. Will the > support person add these extensions please? /me starts timer. > http://www.lojban.overt-ops.com/index.php?title=Special:Version added. Probably I should give you ftp access to the wiki too. > > Thank you! I have made a deep investment in mediawiki and use it in > every other community I participate in. I'd love to see lojban.org > use this software, but I don't understand why it fixes and/or is > better than the current wiki. > > -Alan > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 06:08:25PM -0700, la .lindar. wrote: > > On Monday, 24 September 2012 11:00:45 UTC-7, .alyn.post. wrote: > > > > Will you describe what the mission statement (for lack of a better > > term) for this wiki is? Why would I edit at this address rather > > than the wiki at [1]lojban.org? What makes them different? > > > > -Alan > > > > The tiki on the primary Lojban website is... well... rubbish. (YMMV) > > MediaWiki seems to provide better editing support and, most > importantly, a > > place to shove all of our discussions. It's also nice to have a brand > new > > start! So, we were hoping to get something functional and solid, and > then > > once everything looks lovely, dump it over to lojban.org and use the > old > > tiki as a historical archive. Even if we don't use it to replace > > lojban.org's tiki several of us are going to start the effort to > organise > > things so we stop repeating arguments and instead have > well-documented > > pages about each and every word. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:47:47AM -0700, la gleki wrote: > > > Basically it's MediaWiki (the same engine as in Wikipedia). I > also > > > installed rss and wysiwyg (for editing a-la text processor) > > plugins. > > > Let's test it. > > > > Yaaaaaaay!! > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > [2]https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/XlVrW9jUaIQJ. > > To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > References > > > > Visible links > > 1. http://lojban.org/ > > 2. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/XlVrW9jUaIQJ > > -- > .i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/cFXVdYx3orMJ. 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On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:59:59 AM UTC+4, .alyn.post. wrote:=
This is a project I could real= ly find myself getting behind, and I
also have some concerns.  Would you, gleki, or someone else involv= ed
be willing to discuss them with me?

 * I'd like to hear at least a basic outline on the theory of why = the
   existing Lojban wiki got to it's current (rubbish?) state = and what
   will be different this time.

No idea.  At least three jbopre i= ncluding me don't like this TWiki.


 * Sort of to the same point: = this community starts far more
   projects than it finishes.  This impacts the wiki, be= cause a page
   will get written but then becomes unmaintained and eventua= lly
   becomes part of the long tail of pages that are out of dat= e but
   still vaguely relevant.  Is starting this wiki also a= commitment
   to curate it?  Asked another way: is this project dif= ferent from
   the other projects that are started but not completed or
   maintained?

Just a better engine.

 
 * L= ast week I needed the redirect feature of Lojban's tiki software
   enabled.  I was able to contact Robin on IRC and ask = him to enable
   it, and he did so later than day.  Who is the support= person for
   this wiki?  Any idea of how responsive you'll be?

No idea. But... CURRENTLY WE ARE ONLY = TESTING THIS MEDIAWIKI.
If this server is not stable we would pro= bably move to another one, may be Robin can help us with hosting. 

   = * I have several templates that I would like to use on this wiki.
      They require the Cite and ParserFunctions extensio= ns.  Will the
      support person add these extensions please?  = /me starts timer.

added.
Probably I sh= ould give you ftp access to the wiki too.
 

Thank you!  I have made a deep investment in mediawiki and use it = in
every other community I participate in.  I'd love to see lojban.org
use this software, but I don't understand why it fixes and/or is
better than the current wiki.

-Alan

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 06:08:25PM -0700, la .lindar. wrote:
>    On Monday, 24 September 2012 11:00:45 UTC-7, .alyn.po= st. wrote:
>=20
>      Will you describe what the mission statement (= for lack of a better
>      term) for this wiki is?  Why would I edit= at this address rather
>      than the wiki at [1]lojban.org?  What makes them different?
>=20
>      -Alan
>=20
>    The tiki on the primary Lojban website is... well... = rubbish. (YMMV)
>    MediaWiki seems to provide better editing support and= , most importantly, a
>    place to shove all of our discussions. It's also nice= to have a brand new
>    start! So, we were hoping to get something functional= and solid, and then
>    once everything looks lovely, dump it over to lojban.org and use the old
>    tiki as a historical archive. Even if we don't use it= to replace
>    lojba= n.org's tiki several of us are going to start the effort to organise
>    things so we stop repeating arguments and instead hav= e well-documented
>    pages about each and every word.
>=20
>=20
>      On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:47:47AM -0700, la g= leki wrote:
>      >    Basically it's MediaWiki (th= e same engine as in Wikipedia). I also
>      >    installed rss and wysiwyg (f= or editing a-la text processor)
>      plugins.
>      >    Let's test it.
>=20
>    Yaaaaaaay!!
>=20
>    --
>    You received this message because you are subscribed = to the Google Groups
>    "lojban" group.
>    To view this discussion on the web visit
>    [2]https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojb= an/-/XlVrW9jUaIQJ.
>    To post to this group, send email to loj...@goo= glegroups.com.
>    To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
>    lojban+un...@googlegroups.com.
>    For more options, visit this group at
>    http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den= .
>=20
> References
>=20
>    Visible links
>    1. h= ttp://lojban.org/
>    2. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojb= an/-/XlVrW9jUaIQJ

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