Received: from mail-ie0-f189.google.com ([209.85.223.189]:50317) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1THMnM-0004d7-4l; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:43:11 -0700 Received: by iebc10 with SMTP id c10sf2315032ieb.16 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:42:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=tvl3yhf7ZiiehlIK7UD2FnrmPNoo1lMK4rhpZ0/StNI=; b=vKBHa3wXTL//OBpHtxAS4X6Hxb2YIpaLmTR2QHRrQN7T9D7iZ4FCXfAPPR0RrSgCeB RWXhQVqBIf2RH04O2PxDRGGvpgU8WWy4dOClMXkwQM8lVs8i9SR7ewyBoYLv3DmQvbV1 hREIuHnodljR9S79tCqf4DxgPa+0qqYMHc0X/yp7hQpwwEADTrL+6v8r4iZ61XLGFm+n /7TuBFrARiD0DvXbKe2KOb20ENkKzRiUFbeh+6dJ/hHAGlA2hdR+wdd/cIPlXFXT7BDB ewqy9HmmZHmSISCQDgKfmqNmLK1X0ZE6j+G03diR2+c6gLiJPyWgc2RMjteXA2Ta1peq K49g== Received: by 10.52.90.69 with SMTP id bu5mr1472068vdb.6.1348785773325; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:42:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.21.40 with SMTP id s8ls2915182vde.8.gmail; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.187.168 with SMTP id ft8mr1868874vec.7.1348785772795; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.187.168 with SMTP id ft8mr1868873vec.7.1348785772778; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ef10si419900vdb.3.2012.09.27.15.42.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.178; Received: by vcbgb30 with SMTP id gb30so3134010vcb.23 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.95.237 with SMTP id dn13mr2479355vdb.83.1348785772480; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:42:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.92.48 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:42:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1566832d-582b-4f2a-ba49-d6398c917b47@googlegroups.com> References: <1566832d-582b-4f2a-ba49-d6398c917b47@googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:42:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: IP Addresses in Lojban To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307d04c0d8c93c04cab6a8da X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf307d04c0d8c93c04cab6a8da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 27 September 2012 09:46, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday, September 27, 2012 09:08:36 Jacob Errington wrote: > > coi > > > > I don't see why numbers couldn't do this: > > e.g. li pareze pi'e no pi'e no pi'e pa > > Indicating a port could be done with {pi}: > > e.g. li pareze pi'e no pi'e no pi'e pa pi bino > > Your way of expressing IPv4 addresses is good. For IPv6 I'd use e.g. > "rexanoze > ki'o vaibifeino ki'o vononore ki'o gainoci ki'oki'o xavo pi muno". I'm not > sure how to indicate that the port number is 0050 and not 50 (which could > be > taken as 5000, i.e. 20480). Maybe "ce'o" is better to separate the port > number. > This makes me rethink {pi} for ports entirely. I think that ce'o is possibly a better solution. > > > Also, in the same way that denpa bu colloquially refers to the dot, how > > about we let diklo bu refer to localhost? > > > > If so, we can attach a port to a non-number sumti referring to a URL like > > this: > > {li pi bino pe diklo bu} > > Otherwise, we can use a moi-based approach like this: > > {.i lo bino moi co me diklo bu moi} would probably convey the right > > meaning, given that the listener knows what diklo bu refers to. > > > > Thoughts? > > Localhost isn't a letter, and I don't know what letter or other character > "diklo bu" could mean. I'd say "lo binomoi be lo kloskami". Right. I think my comparison was bad. I mean for {diklo bu} to act as a variable holding the value of localhost in the same way that for my purposes, {du bu} refers to {lo ka ce'u du makau} (the lojban identity function). On 27 September 2012 10:11, triliyn wrote: > What's wrong with {li diklo bu pi bi no}? That's actually a pretty interesting and concise solution. I like it a lot. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf307d04c0d8c93c04cab6a8da Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 27 September 2012 09:46, Pierre Abbat=A0<phma@phma.optus.nu>=A0wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 09:08:36 Jacob Errington = wrote:
> coi
>
> I don't see why numbers couldn't= do this:
> e.g. li pareze pi'e no pi'e no pi'e pa
> Indicating a port could be done with {pi}:
> e.g. li pareze pi'e no pi'e no pi'e pa pi bino

Your way of expressing IPv4 addresses is good. For IPv6 I'd use e.g. = "rexanoze
ki'o vaibifeino ki'o vononore ki'o gainoci ki= 'oki'o xavo pi muno". I'm not
sure how to indicate that the port number is 0050 and not 50 (which could b= e
taken as 5000, i.e. 20480). Maybe "ce'o" is better to se= parate the port
number.

This makes m= e rethink {pi} for ports entirely. I think that ce'o is possibly a bett= er solution.
=A0

> Also, in the same= way that denpa bu colloquially refers to the dot, how
> about we let diklo bu refer to localhost?
>
> If so, we ca= n attach a port to a non-number sumti referring to a URL like
> this:=
> {li pi bino pe diklo bu}
> Otherwise, we can use a moi-based= approach like this:
> {.i lo bino moi co me diklo bu moi} would probably convey the right> meaning, given that the listener knows what diklo bu refers to.
&g= t;
> Thoughts?

Localhost isn't a letter, and I don&#= 39;t know what letter or other character
"diklo bu" could mean. I'd say "lo binomoi be lo kloskam= i".

Right. I think my comparison was b= ad. I mean for {diklo bu} to act as a variable holding the value of localho= st in the same way that for my purposes, {du bu} refers to {lo ka ce'u = du makau} (the lojban identity function).

On 27 September 2012 10:11, triliyn <trillionalyssa@gmail.com> wrote:
What's wrong with {li diklo bu pi bi no}?
=A0
That's actually a pretty interesting and concise solution. I like it = a lot.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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