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On Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:15:54 PM UTC+4, Marica Odagaki wrote:
>
> .uisai I'm all for adopting MediaWiki as the official wiki.
>
> > Please, develop the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. Let's 
> make it better than the old one. Together.
>
> I have a few suggestions to make this project better yet:
>
> A. Set short-term goals.
> - 1. Create overview pages targeted at newcomers/learning & teaching/etc.
> - 2. Go over all the TikiWiki pages and migrate them where necessary.
>      Last time I checked, there are 2357 of them.
>
>
> B. Broadly categorize pages.
> - About: introduction to the language and organizations
> - Guides: learning materials, faq
> - Documentation: grammar documentation/dictionary/baseline definition
> - Writings: Lojbanic writings/multimedia/games
> - Encyclopedia of related topics
> - News
> - Projects
> - Participation guides
> - People
> - Proposals
>
> (Discussions should happen in the "Talk" side of the page.)
>
> These are gleaned from a wiki pages categorization project
> I'd been tackling by myself:
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqPDUjCrM_cfdDI5NzBIMzhCRHZJWGF2Tzl4R245N3c
>
> Giving the wiki a minimum structure will help grow it without falling into 
> a chaotic state.
>
>
> C. Define what goes into the wiki, and state it in the wiki.
> - All of the above (in B.)
> - Questions should be asked in the mailing-list first.
>
>
> Do these sound all good?
>

go'isai

Especially "minimum structure". I don't want lojban.org/tiki to be shut 
down.

AND NOW IMPORTANT MESSAGE.
Robin INSTALLED MEDIAWIKI ON HIS SERVER. THE CURRENT ADDRESS IS
http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mw/index.php/ralju_ckupau

Problems that I can see so far:
1. I can't create folders in the root of mediawiki installation. And 
probably therefore impossible to upload files.
2. Not only I should have sftp access to that root folder (who is familiar 
with MediaWiki? Whom can we trust?)
3. I haven't found appropriate extension to localise wiki pages on the fly 
like it is done in Tiki.


I hope Robin will  fix the first problem himself.

As for the third problem I'm waiting for suggestions.



> mu'o
>
>
> On Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:23:10 PM UTC+9, la gleki wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:20:20 PM UTC+4, iesk wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for the clarification.
>>>
>>> What does the logo in the upper left part of the screen stand for? 
>>>
>> Well, just 25 years of Lojban, nothing more.
>>  
>>
>>> Oh, and the opening page is currently filled with some non-Lojban text. 
>>> Maybe the standard propaganda ( 
>>> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/la%20lojban.%20mo?no_bl=y ) would be fitting?
>>>
>>> iesk
>>>
>>
>>
>> Please, develop the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. Let's 
>> make it better than the old one. Together.
>>
>

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<br><br>On Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:15:54 PM UTC+4, Marica Odagaki w=
rote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8e=
x;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div>.uisai I'm all for a=
dopting MediaWiki as the official wiki.</div><div><br></div><div>&gt; Pleas=
e, develop the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. Let's make it=
 better than the old one. Together.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I have a f=
ew suggestions to make this project better yet:</div><div><br></div><div>A.=
 Set short-term goals.</div><div>- 1. Create overview pages targeted at new=
comers/learning &amp; teaching/etc.</div><div>- 2. Go over all the TikiWiki=
 pages and migrate them where necessary.</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Last=
 time I checked, there are 2357 of them.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div=
><div>B. Broadly categorize pages.</div><div>- About: introduction to the l=
anguage and organizations</div><div>- Guides: learning materials, faq</div>=
<div>- Documentation: grammar documentation/dictionary/<wbr>baseline defini=
tion</div><div>- Writings: Lojbanic writings/multimedia/games</div><div>- E=
ncyclopedia of related topics</div><div>- News</div><div>- Projects</div><d=
iv>- Participation guides</div><div>- People</div><div>- Proposals</div><di=
v><br></div><div>(Discussions should happen in the "Talk" side of the page.=
)</div><div><br></div><div>These are gleaned from a wiki pages categorizati=
on project</div><div>I'd been tackling by myself:</div><div><a href=3D"http=
s://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0AqPDUjCrM_cfdDI5NzBIMzhCRHZJWGF2=
Tzl4R245N3c" target=3D"_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>spreadsheet/ccc=
?key=3D<wbr>0AqPDUjCrM_<wbr>cfdDI5NzBIMzhCRHZJWGF2Tzl4R245<wbr>N3c</a></div=
><div><br></div><div>Giving the wiki a minimum structure will help grow it =
without falling into a chaotic state.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>C. Define what goes into the wiki, and state it in the wiki.</div><div>-=
 All of the above (in B.)</div><div>- Questions should be asked in the mail=
ing-list first.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Do these sound all =
good?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>go'isai</div><div><br></div=
><div>Especially "minimum structure". I don't want lojban.org/tiki to be sh=
ut down.</div><div><br></div><div>AND NOW IMPORTANT MESSAGE.</div><div>Robi=
n INSTALLED MEDIAWIKI ON HIS SERVER. THE CURRENT ADDRESS IS</div><div><a hr=
ef=3D"http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mw/index.php/ralju_ckupau">http://vric=
i.lojban.org/~gleki/mw/index.php/ralju_ckupau</a></div><div><br></div><div>=
Problems that I can see so far:</div><div>1. I can't create folders in the =
root of mediawiki installation. And probably therefore impossible to upload=
 files.</div><div>2. Not only I should have sftp access to that root folder=
 (who is familiar with MediaWiki? Whom can we trust?)<br></div><div>3. I ha=
ven't found appropriate extension to localise wiki pages on the fly like it=
 is done in Tiki.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I hope Robin will=
 &nbsp;fix the first problem himself.</div><div><br></div><div>As for the t=
hird problem I'm waiting for suggestions.</div><div><br></div><div><br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;b=
order-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>mu'o</div><div><br></div><br>On Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:23:10 PM =
UTC+9, la gleki wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;m=
argin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br>On We=
dnesday, September 26, 2012 10:20:20 PM UTC+4, iesk wrote:<blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">Thank you for the clarification.<p>What does the log=
o in the upper left part of the screen stand for? </p></blockquote><div>Wel=
l, just 25 years of Lojban, nothing more.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p>Oh, and the opening page is currently fille=
d with some non-Lojban text. Maybe the standard propaganda ( <a href=3D"htt=
p://www.lojban.org/tiki/la%20lojban.%20mo?no_bl=3Dy" target=3D"_blank">http=
://www.lojban.org/tiki/la%<wbr>20lojban.%20mo?no_bl=3Dy</a> ) would be fitt=
ing?</p><p>iesk</p></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Please, =
develop the wiki, edit it yourself. Tell me what you need. Let's make it be=
tter than the old one. Together.</div></blockquote></blockquote>

<p></p>

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