Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:54153) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TII1C-0000ai-IH; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 04:49:16 -0700 Received: by vbzb23 with SMTP id b23sf4484875vbz.16 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 04:48:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=wDyRwHXmjRzZJqQEQXU0Gk+69Km2ALrcQQBU1gHnUro=; b=w0OaHIvnIXpIZ5xiujwGW/KF5jCKop2Kk1u5fd/npwtzPHVXgMFmCCLIMbAx7PYjTR qF1ORYB1BYXRILzKjLkuVWLTvg/PISFtBjt2jrl1bpXvB0rp7S0jqXM7OKxiZIG89VGs I2xvDwW9TnTr6iq0NUldWMN6VDDruQ9+hKXG616gDRC5xbmELw3zGw6UFPjZP50rPMIj NY9/wYIFM7AfODiTaw4sL2m7qDa7lPgRS2gkuZ+23BFATcIePso8ToNjd8hNKpM2L+DI afNXhwwGYFKiQ2ZA+zAUxpr2rbSHVDK+Ls2RWzJq3bjyyeVKx+iqkq8XKBoyiT0+y/sf XhcA== Received: by 10.52.72.197 with SMTP id f5mr2506968vdv.17.1349005739669; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 04:48:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.107.208 with SMTP id c16ls3587233vcp.3.gmail; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 04:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.91.168 with SMTP id cf8mr102756vdb.6.1349005739243; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 04:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 04:48:57 -0700 (PDT) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: Subject: [lojban] {kau} vs. {ba'e} MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_299_604700.1349005737851" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_299_604700.1349005737851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It was previously mentioned that {.i ko'a broda xu = .i xu ko'a ba'e broda} The example http://dag.github.com/cll/11/8/ 8.4) mi djuno le du'u la djan. kau pu klama le zarci I know the predication-of/fact-that John [indirect question] [past] going to the store. I know who went to the store, namely John. I know that it was John who went to the store. is rather interesting. It shows the shift of focus to {la djan.} Then why not use {kau} instead of {ba'e} all the time? {mi kau djuno le du'u la djan. kau pu klama lo zarci} ? If you need arrange foci by their strength you can always say {mi kausai djuno le du'u la djan. kau pu klama lo zarci}. So my question is: in what cases {ba'e} is irreplaceable? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/1sRlldvrIIEJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_299_604700.1349005737851 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It was previously mentioned that 
{.i ko'a broda xu =3D= .i xu ko'a ba'e broda}

The example

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8.4)   mi djuno le du'u
<= div>             la djan. kau pu                 klama le z= arci
       I know the predication-of/fact-th= at
             John [indirect= question] [past]
             = ;    going to the store.
       I k= now who went to the store, namely John.
      &nbs= p;I know that it was John who went to the store.
is rather interesting.
It shows the shift of focus to= {la djan.}

Then why not use {kau} instead of {ba'= e} all the time?
{mi kau djuno le du'u la djan. kau pu klama lo z= arci} ?
If you need arrange foci by their strength you can always= say

{mi kausai djuno le du'u la djan. kau pu klam= a lo zarci}.

So my question is:
in what = cases {ba'e} is irreplaceable?

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