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On Monday, October 1, 2012 7:33:20 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:
>
> Neuro-Linguistic Programming?  Natural Language Processing? Neither seems 
> to fit with the present situation being impossible with respect to it.
>


u'i
i u'u
Natural Language Processing.



>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
> *To:* loj...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> 
> *Sent:* Monday, October 1, 2012 10:24 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] What place of nesting bridi {ce'u} refers to?
>  
>
>
> On Monday, October 1, 2
>
 

> 012 1:35:54 AM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
>
> It'd be nice if the gimste mentioned to which higher-level sumti places 
> the ce'u referred to, much like guaspi's gimste, but that isn't the case.
>
> On 30 September 2012 00:56, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://dag.github.com/cll/7/11/
>
> 11.1)  le ka ce'u gleki
>        the property-of (X being-happy)
>        the property of being happy
>        happiness
>
> and
>
> 11.2)  le ka gleki ce'u
>        the property-of (being-happy about-X)
>        the property of being that which someone is happy about
>
>
>
> These examples are pretty clear. No ambiguity. Now let's open Chapter 11.4
> http://dag.github.com/cll/11/4/
>
> 4.9)   la djan. cu zmadu la djordj. le ka mi prami ce'u
>        John exceeds George in-the property-of (I love X).
>
>
>
> This is something very strange.
> Let's imagine that I'm a boy and I meet a girl. I tell her
>
> {do melbi mi lo ka ce'u clani}
>  
>
> Does {ce'u} refer to {do} or {mi}?
>
>
> It definitely refers to melbi1. If x3 is the aspect in which x1 is 
> beautiful, it's pretty clear that it's the x1 that is referred to by the 
> argument place in clani.
>
>
>
> How do you know that? Just a common sense? If so it's a real problem. 
> Someone is developing lojban in terms of NLP but your answers clearly show 
> that currently it's impossible.
> Don't you think that we should mark all gismu that have such "problems"?
>
>
>
> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o
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<br><br>On Monday, October 1, 2012 7:33:20 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:<blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-lef=
t: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;backgro=
und-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:1=
2pt">Neuro-Linguistic Programming?&nbsp; Natural Language Processing? Neith=
er seems to fit with the present situation being impossible with respect to=
 it.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>u'i</di=
v><div>i u'u</div><div>Natural Language Processing.<br></div><div><br></div=
><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin=
-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div styl=
e=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,=
times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  <d=
iv style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt=
"> <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size=
:12pt"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1"> =
 <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> la gleki &lt;<a href=
=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"JCJwCquMnhkJ">g=
leki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</s=
pan></b> <a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D=
"JCJwCquMnhkJ">loj...@googlegroups.com</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weig=
ht:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 1, 2012 10:24 AM<br> <b><span sty=
le=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojban] What place of nest=
ing bridi {ce'u} refers to?<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div><br><br>On Monday, October 1, 2</div></div></div></div></div></blockqu=
ote><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;m=
argin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div=
 style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new =
york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,=
new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div style=3D"font-family:times new ro=
man,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>012 1:35:54 AM UTC+4, tsani w=
rote:<blockquote style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">It'd be nice if the gimste mentioned to which higher=
-level sumti places the ce'u referred to, much like guaspi's gimste, but th=
at isn't the case.<div><br><div>On 30 September 2012 00:56, la gleki <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow">gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br>

<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex"><div><pre style=3D"background-color:rgb(242,242,242);padding:0.4em=
"><a rel=3D"nofollow"></a><a href=3D"http://dag.github.com/cll/7/11/" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://dag.github.com/cll/7/<wbr>11/</a><br>

</pre><pre style=3D"background-color:rgb(242,242,242);padding:0.4em"><a rel=
=3D"nofollow">11.1)</a>  le ka ce'u gleki
       the property-of (X being-happy)
       the property of being happy
       happiness
</pre><span style=3D"font-size:medium;font-family:sans-serif">and</span><pr=
e style=3D"background-color:rgb(242,242,242);padding:0.4em"><a rel=3D"nofol=
low">11.2)</a>  le ka gleki ce'u
       the property-of (being-happy about-X)
       the property of being that which someone is happy about</pre></div><=
div><br></div><div><br></div><div>These examples are pretty clear. No ambig=
uity. Now let's open Chapter 11.4</div><div><a href=3D"http://dag.github.co=
m/cll/11/4/" target=3D"_blank">http://dag.github.com/cll/11/<wbr>4/</a><br>

</div><div><br></div><div><pre style=3D"background-color:rgb(242,242,242);p=
adding:0.4em"><a rel=3D"nofollow">4.9)</a>   la djan. cu zmadu la djordj. l=
e ka mi prami ce'u
       John exceeds George in-the property-of (I love X).</pre></div><div><=
br></div><div><br></div><div>This is something very strange.</div><div>Let'=
s imagine that I'm a boy and I meet a girl. I tell her</div><div>

<br></div><div>{do melbi mi lo ka ce'u clani}</div><div>&nbsp;</div></block=
quote><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex"><div></div><div>Does {ce'u} refer to {do} or {mi}?</div>

<div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It definitely refers to mel=
bi1. If x3 is the aspect in which x1 is beautiful, it's pretty clear that i=
t's the x1 that is referred to by the argument place in clani.</div></div><=
/div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>How do you know that? =
Just a common sense? If so it's a real problem. Someone is developing lojba=
n in terms of NLP but your answers clearly show that currently it's impossi=
ble.</div><div>Don't you think that we should mark all gismu that have such=
 "problems"?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style=3D"margin=
:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div=
>

<div><br></div><div>.i mi'e la tsani mu'o</div></div></div>
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