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Am 01.10.2012 22:04, schrieb Arnt Richard Johansen:
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:56:59AM -0700, la gleki wrote:
>
>> These examples are pretty clear. No ambiguity. Now let's open Chapter 11=
.4
>> http://dag.github.com/cll/11/4/
>>
>> 4.9)   la djan. cu zmadu la djordj. le ka mi prami ce'u
>>         John exceeds George in-the property-of (I love X).
>>
>> This is something very strange.
>> Let's imagine that I'm a boy and I meet a girl. I tell her
>>
>> {do melbi mi lo ka ce'u clani}
>>
>> Does {ce'u} refer to {do} or {mi}?
> Neither. {ce'u} does not refer to anything, and that's sort of the whole =
point. The clause refers to a =E2=80=9Cproperty=E2=80=9D of being tall *in =
the abstract*, not that of someone in particular being tall.

Yes, but the ce'u place gets filled later by one of the sumti in the=20
parent bridi, and that is what the question was about.

> * lo ka mi clani
>    my height
>
> * lo ka do clani
>    your height
>
> * lo ka lo penbi cu clani
>    a pen being long

These are very non-standard, and probably many would call them=20
incorrect. The only way I can see to make these work is to say that "lo=20
ka mi clani" is to be interpreted as "lo ka mi no'u ce'u clani", or else=20
the "ce'u" would end up in a different sumti place and the meaning would=20
change drastically.


> * lo ka clani
>    being long (OR being a dimension of length OR being a standard of leng=
th)

Right, but much more than with "ke'a", where this is handled much more=20
loosely, the convention is that "ce'u" fills the first empty slot.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

--=20
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
    .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
    .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
    .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku

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