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On 1 October 2012 03:05, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Monday, October 1, 2012 1:32:24 AM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
>>
>> Simply because {la djan kau} is arguably never correct, {kau} can never
>> "replace" {ba'e}. {kau} has a particular use, namely to mark indirect
>> *questions*. {kau} on anything but a question is weird, at best, and
>> complete nonsense, at worst.
>>
>> {ba'e} on the other hand marks emphasis. Emphasis and indirect questions
>> are two separate ideas.
>>
>> {.i mi djuno lo du'u xukau la djan ba'e broda} "I know whether John
>> brodas (and not whether he does/is some other selbri)"
>> {.i mi djuno lo du'u ba'e xu kau la djan ba'e broda} "I know *whether*
>> John brodas (and not if it pertains to some other indirect question)"
>>
>> The thing about {makau} is that it's somewhat referentless, like {da},
>> and it's best to think about {[question]-kau} constructs as being single
>> items of the [question]'s selma'o.
>>
>> As for "replacing kau with ba'e", I must say that replacing *incorrect*
>> usage of {kau}, such as {la djan kau}, with {ba'e}, in the form of {ba'e la
>> djan} is a very excellent solution.
>>
>
> So is it something that needs to be fixed in this chapter of the CLL?
>

In my very honest opinion, yes.

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On 1 October 2012 03:05, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g=
leki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">

<div class=3D"im"><br><br>On Monday, October 1, 2012 1:32:24 AM UTC+4, tsan=
i wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Simply because {la djan kau=
} is arguably never correct, {kau} can never &quot;replace&quot; {ba&#39;e}=
. {kau} has a particular use, namely to mark indirect *questions*. {kau} on=
 anything but a question is weird, at best, and complete nonsense, at worst=
.<div>



<br></div><div>{ba&#39;e} on the other hand marks emphasis. Emphasis and in=
direct questions are two separate ideas.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>{.i mi=
 djuno lo du&#39;u xukau la djan ba&#39;e broda} &quot;I know whether John =
brodas (and not whether he does/is some other selbri)&quot;</div>



<div>{.i mi djuno lo du&#39;u ba&#39;e xu kau la djan ba&#39;e broda} &quot=
;I know *whether* John brodas (and not if it pertains to some other indirec=
t question)&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>The thing about {makau} is that =
it&#39;s somewhat referentless, like {da}, and it&#39;s best to think about=
 {[question]-kau} constructs as being single items of the [question]&#39;s =
selma&#39;o.</div>



<div><br></div><div>As for &quot;replacing kau with ba&#39;e&quot;, I must =
say that replacing *incorrect* usage of {kau}, such as {la djan kau}, with =
{ba&#39;e}, in the form of {ba&#39;e la djan} is a very excellent solution.=
</div>

</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>So is it something that needs to be =
fixed in this chapter of the CLL?=A0</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
In my very honest opinion, yes.</div></div>

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