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[213.165.64.23]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id cx9si515040wib.0.2012.10.03.09.21.23; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 09:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.23; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Oct 2012 16:21:23 -0000 Received: from p57A0885E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.136.94] by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 03 Oct 2012 18:21:23 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18JVuZo/nsJbjmmOr67j3omlRFBPoPUQS2K5wnDga HCEAbMgQRaaubs Message-ID: <506C65FF.2040907@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:21:19 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] What place of nesting bridi {ce'u} refers to? References: <20121001200454.GV1589@nvg.org> <5069F9D3.804@gmx.de> <58680262-ade6-45c0-bd7b-875fcc55a353@googlegroups.com> <6468a0a7-357d-4f07-9f02-1da61a75374c@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <6468a0a7-357d-4f07-9f02-1da61a75374c@googlegroups.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040309090701000005000908" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040309090701000005000908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am 03.10.2012 17:54, schrieb la gleki: > If {ka=3Dsu'u ce'u} then we'll have very nice and compact way of=20 > expressing such an important and *useful*concept of natlangs as=20 > *infinitives*. > I don't like how gua\spi works here cuz as i can see it demands using=20 > another gismu every time you change the value of {ce'u}. Okay, what you want is *exactly* what gua\spi is doing, so I think you=20 misunderstand something. I wouldn't add those "ce'u formulae" as a=20 seperate field. Instead, I would add them right to the definition.=20 Gua\spi does this: zmadu : x1 exceeds x2 in property/quantity x3:1+2 I'm not sure what you mean by > I don't like how gua\spi works here cuz as i can see it demands using=20 > another gismu every time you change the value of {ce'u}. Can you show me what you mean? mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo doi. m=E8lbi mlen=EC'u .i do c=E0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=E0mpre u(u .i do t=ECnsa c=E0rmi gi'e s=ECrji se t=E0rmi .i tai. bo pu c=ECtka lo gr=E0na ku --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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Am 03.10.2012 17:54, schrieb la gleki:
If=A0{ka=3Dsu'u ce'u} then we'll have very nice and compact way of expressing such an important and=A0usefu= l concept of natlangs as infinitives.
I don't like how gua\spi works here cuz as i can see it demands using another gismu every time you change the value of {ce'u}.

Okay, what you want is *exactly* what gua\spi is doing, so I think you misunderstand something. I wouldn't add those "ce'u formulae" as a seperate field. Instead, I would add them right to the definition. Gua\spi does this:

zmadu : x1 exceeds x2 in property/quantity x3:1+2

I'm not sure what you mean by

I don't like how gua\spi works here cuz as i can see it demands using another gismu every time you change the value of {ce'u}.

Can you show me what you mean?

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
--=20
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

doị m=E8lbi mlen=EC'u
   .i do c=E0tlu ki'u
ma fe la x=E0mpre ŭu
   .i do t=ECnsa c=E0rmi
gi'e s=ECrji se t=E0rmi
   .i taị bo pu c=ECtka lo gr=E0na ku

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