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On Wednesday, October 3, 2012 8:21:32 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
>
>  Am 03.10.2012 17:54, schrieb la gleki:
> =20
> If=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD{ka=3Dsu'u ce'u} then we'll have very nice and compac=
t way of=20
> expressing such an important and=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD*useful* concept of nat=
langs as *
> infinitives*.=20
> I don't like how gua\spi works here cuz as i can see it demands using=20
> another gismu every time you change the value of {ce'u}.
>
>
> Okay, what you want is *exactly* what gua\spi is doing, so I think you=20
> misunderstand something. I wouldn't add those "ce'u formulae" as a sepera=
te=20
> field. Instead, I would add them right to the definition. Gua\spi does th=
is:
>
> zmadu : x1 exceeds x2 in property/quantity x3:1+2
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by=20
>
>  I don't like how gua\spi works here cuz as i can see it demands using=20
> another gismu every time you change the value of {ce'u}.
>
>
> Can you show me what you mean?
>

Although it's not the right place to discuss it here please translate to=20
gua\spi
1."I want to eat an apple".
2."I want you to eat an apple".

btw, what is your opinion about {ka=3Dsu'u ce'u}?

=20

>
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
> =20
> --=20
> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
>
> do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDlbi mlen=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD'u
>    .i do c=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDtlu ki'u
> ma fe la x=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDmpre =C5=ADu
>    .i do t=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDnsa c=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDrmi
> gi'e s=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDrji se t=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDrmi
>    .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDtka lo gr=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDna =
ku
>
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<br><br>On Wednesday, October 3, 2012 8:21:32 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:<bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-l=
eft: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
 =20
   =20
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <div><tt>Am 03.10.2012 17:54, schrieb la
        gleki:</tt><tt><br>
      </tt></div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"><tt>If=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD{ka=3Dsu'u ce'u} then=
 we'll have very nice and
        compact way of expressing such an important and=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD</=
tt><tt><b>useful</b></tt><tt>
        concept of natlangs as </tt><tt><b>infinitives</b></tt><tt>.</tt>
      <div><tt>I don't like how gua\spi works here cuz as i can see it
          demands using another gismu every time you change the value of
          {ce'u}.</tt></div>
    </blockquote>
    <tt><br>
    </tt><tt>Okay, what you want is *exactly* what gua\spi is doing, so
      I think you misunderstand something. I wouldn't add those "ce'u
      formulae" as a seperate field. Instead, I would add them right to
      the definition. Gua\spi does this:</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>zmadu : x1 exceeds x2 in property/quantity x3:1+2</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>I'm not sure what you mean by </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"><tt>I don't like how gua\spi works here cuz
        as i can see it demands using another gismu every time you
        change the value of {ce'u}.</tt></blockquote>
    <tt><br>
    </tt><tt>Can you show me what you mean?</tt></div></blockquote><div><br=
></div><div>Although it's not the right place to discuss it here please tra=
nslate to gua\spi</div><div>1."I want to eat an apple".</div><div>2."I want=
 you to eat an apple".</div><div><br></div><div>btw, what is your opinion a=
bout {ka=3Dsu'u ce'u}?</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><tt=
><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>mu'o mi'e la selpa'i</tt><tt><br>
    </tt>
    <pre cols=3D"72">--=20
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDlbi mlen=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD'u
   .i do c=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDtlu ki'u
ma fe la x=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDmpre =C5=ADu
   .i do t=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDnsa c=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDrmi
gi'e s=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDrji se t=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDrmi
   .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDtka lo gr=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDna ku=
</pre>
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</blockquote>

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