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Am 04.10.2012 09:34, schrieb la gleki:
>
>
>     I'm not sure what you mean by
>
>>     I don't like how gua\spi works here cuz as i can see it demands
>>     using another gismu every time you change the value of {ce'u}.
>
>     Can you show me what you mean?
>
>
> Although it's not the right place to discuss it here please translate=20
> to gua\spi

So I have to translate this for you, but you don't like how it works?=20
I'm not sure you can properly judge it then.

> 1."I want to eat an apple".

The normal way uses an infinitive compound:

^:i \ji /daw crw \xo plyw

But you can also use an explicit infinitive:

^:i \ji /daw \vo crw \xo plyw

> 2."I want you to eat an apple".

^:i \ji /gu pli \ju ^vo crw \xo plyw

or

^:i \ji ^ju /gu pli \crw \xo plyw


>
> btw, what is your opinion about {ka=3Dsu'u ce'u}?

I'm not sure how to answer that question. You can say that ka is du'u=20
ce'u, I don't know what the advantage is in defining ka in terms of=20
su'u, because to me su'u could then mean nu or ni, which means that ka=20
could become nu ce'u or ni ce'u. So why not use a more precise=20
abstractor? Also, what is the point anyway? ka has at least one ce'u in=20
it, that's pretty clear to almost everyone. Why do you need to use su'u=20
here?

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
    .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
    .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
    .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku

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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix"><tt>Am 04.10.2012 09:34, schrieb la
        gleki:</tt><tt><br>
      </tt></div>
    <blockquote
      cite=3D"mid:cc7f22ca-3c03-425f-bedc-496132b538bd@googlegroups.com"
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          </tt> <tt>I'm not sure what you mean by </tt><tt><br>
          </tt> <tt><br>
          </tt>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><tt>I don't like how gua\spi works
              here cuz as i can see it demands using another gismu every
              time you change the value of {ce'u}.</tt></blockquote>
          <tt><br>
          </tt> <tt>Can you show me what you mean?</tt></div>
      </blockquote>
      <div><tt><br>
        </tt></div>
      <div><tt>Although it's not the right place to discuss it here
          please translate to gua\spi</tt></div>
    </blockquote>
    <tt><br>
    </tt><tt>So I have to translate this for you, but you don't like how
      it works? I'm not sure you can properly judge it then.</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt>
    <blockquote
      cite=3D"mid:cc7f22ca-3c03-425f-bedc-496132b538bd@googlegroups.com"
      type=3D"cite">
      <div><tt>1."I want to eat an apple".</tt></div>
    </blockquote>
    <tt><br>
    </tt><tt>The normal way uses an infinitive compound:<br>
      <br>
      ^:i </tt><tt>\ji /daw crw \xo plyw<br>
      <br>
    </tt><tt>But you can also use an explicit infinitive:<br>
      <br>
      ^:i \ji /daw \vo crw \xo plyw<br>
      <br>
    </tt>
    <blockquote
      cite=3D"mid:cc7f22ca-3c03-425f-bedc-496132b538bd@googlegroups.com"
      type=3D"cite">
      <div><tt>2."I want you to eat an apple".</tt></div>
    </blockquote>
    <tt><br>
    </tt><tt>^:i \ji /gu pli \ju ^vo crw \xo plyw<br>
      <br>
      or<br>
      <br>
      ^:i \ji ^ju /gu pli \crw \xo plyw<br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt><br>
    </tt>
    <blockquote
      cite=3D"mid:cc7f22ca-3c03-425f-bedc-496132b538bd@googlegroups.com"
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        </tt></div>
      <div><tt>btw, what is your opinion about {ka=3Dsu'u ce'u}?</tt></div>
    </blockquote>
    <tt><br>
    </tt><tt>I'm not sure how to answer that question. You can say that
      ka is du'u ce'u, I don't know what the advantage is in defining ka
      in terms of su'u, because to me su'u could then mean nu or ni,
      which means that ka could become nu ce'u or ni ce'u. So why not
      use a more precise abstractor? Also, what is the point anyway? ka
      has at least one ce'u in it, that's pretty clear to almost
      everyone. Why do you need to use su'u here? <br>
      <br>
      mu'o mi'e la selpa'i</tt><tt><br>
    </tt>
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do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
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ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
   .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
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