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Am 08.10.2012 13:11, schrieb la gleki:
> I also have to say thatit's simpkly strange not to have a simple way to
> express logophor in Lojban.
> Actually neither {vo'a} nor {ri} can do the trick.
>
> {vo'a} won't refer to the nesting bridi we need if there are more than
> two nesting levels.
> e.g. in {do djuno lo du'u mi djuno lo du'u vo'a stati} /vo'a /refers to
> /do/ but we need it to refer to /mi./

do djuno lo du'u mi djuno lo du'u lo no'a cu stali

> /
> /
> In {.i ta mlatu .i djica lo nu ri sipna kei fa lo remna} /ri/ refers to
> the cat whereas we want it to refer to /lo remna/.

ta mlatu .i djica lo nu vo'a sipna kei fa lo remna

>
> The only way is to use {goi} which produces awkward sentences.
>
> Let's take two examples.
> 1. I'm afraid to revenge [on people]
> 2. I'm afraid of revenge.
>
> 1. lo remna goi ko'a terpa lo nu ko'a venfu
> 2. lo remna terpa lo nu venfu

1. lo remna cu terpa lo nu vo'a venfu
2. lo remna cu terpa lo nu [vo'a] se venfu

You rarely need the "vo'a" or "lo no'a" in such simple sentences,=20
specifying explicitly only happens when confusion might arise.

Lojban does not have a static solution for logophoric pronouns, but it=20
has the tools for a dynamic one, using vo'a, no'a and nei.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
    .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
    .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
    .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku


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