Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:50492) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TLQPp-0003Py-Kt; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:23:41 -0700 Received: by mail-gg0-f189.google.com with SMTP id o6sf3432144ggm.16 for ; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:23:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7xJAFLuYWe4tO0YPZzAfqoTHzoTruadEvHUJhezb6GA=; b=FN8Htj9aO+pP4fIgwnIQ3tFwmOoS7KOGzMPKq/487TtpOf19XOWuTgOnad5F/LB4zl Hv3BLbrxnRN32RR+57jDVg6jrA+40MWv/itcyYp1Z03SLUpXvfShJ+/gcdgNbDZWONwj ZZkLm8aexylLgkW7dMZABHQXIDc5Z4ilH9qsm07/wjFlIehPD31R+yD5SU5FmtyeRLd8 v95pgPw/FP5YC1hT5hQQQOuzgqFe9QTZIuuvdEI8MoiSnlQn1hRqGuVSZlpdJeBkk//X nM2S05tkBgl9z7YSTP2vdogQK57e2ERO58SjyQ5n+zh3/HXnU3KnzKFNKexwNEI7EtbK GGDg== Received: by 10.236.91.99 with SMTP id g63mr2009203yhf.4.1349753002667; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:23:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.187.39 with SMTP id x27ls9629087yhm.4.gmail; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.185.226 with SMTP id u62mr13003289yhm.46.1349753002157; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.185.226 with SMTP id u62mr13003288yhm.46.1349753002144; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id i7si4093209yhj.6.2012.10.08.20.23.21; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6AB2D6D for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 23:23:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby words: clap, high five, wave (goodbye/hello), handshake Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 23:23:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3701753.uZlcAOAk84@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-30-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <50734038.3050000@gmx.de> References: <20121008204122.GG32622@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <50734038.3050000@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Monday, October 08, 2012 13:41:23 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > My inclination is type 3 with jikcr- or so. For that sort of thing, > does it really matter if I draw from the dominant language of the > area, rather than trying to find some kind of "original language" > etymology, since it's American culture that we're duplicating? Clapping, shaking hands, and waving are ancient. When Don Richardson first met Kigo, Hato, and Numu, lowlanders of southwest New Guinea who did not yet know what an airplane was though they had seen them flying, the Sawis and Don both extended their hands in greeting. The Sawis just touch fingers, but it means the same. The high five, though, originated most likely around 1977 in some sport in America. The French Wiktionary has no translation, just a long definition. Several languages' Wikipedia entries use the English phrase as title. On Monday, October 08, 2012 23:06:00 selpa'i wrote: > These are the words I use: > > clap = jalsimgau lo xance Sounds good, and "jalsimgau" has been in jbovlaste for years. > For "wave", you can say "sligau lo xance" or "xance sligau rinsa". > > High five and handshake are mutual actions, so again simxu is needed. > > ko'a simxu lo ka ce'u jalgau lo xance be lo nei lo xance be ce'u > --> xanjalgausi'u = high five This doesn't distinguish a high five from a low five. How about "mumgalco'e"? > ko'a simxu lo ka ce'u jgari lo xance be ce'u lo xance lo xance > --> xanjaisi'u = handshake (doesn't require actual shaking, but some > handshakes are just holding each others' hand for a short time). Two people can xanjaisi'u walking down the street; it isn't necessary a handshake, or a greeting. "xanjairinsa" was entered in jbovlaste a few months ago. 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