Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:64601) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TLu9L-0007ov-Pm; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 04:08:41 -0700 Received: by mail-vc0-f189.google.com with SMTP id fl17sf381416vcb.16 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 04:08:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=XmSEQkV6Z5rrQHTp74gpWOMWcIaeXkHyL9wnF6RJqiI=; b=jVlR8lGimqu1mcGFmW/yqdmecgrAWT1x8ILIn5iWjVTiawDL22LVrPLeQT4dsWpJlZ jJaA3llcoyZ+MMBrDG3TVhl758Nijt/KywHCsMMENG8vn2Pra0ZpBn3wf4sYr3Lk8ehi J6skVmiBE/eNyK0VKNJADEvoAj5Ma2lcL5tGH42SWkwnwcjbRybXB0pUX/Y/w3ujdpdm Jwm38FlwHP/0pw5eTpiq9Wbwv6Pl7CNghptYkG3+xsqCPFMcOctIsebK0v9gDxtmVx+I SQN81atvwigYHRvzGIGFAUVLV3aqzHkkyTXiaWJ+Fx9/3Z9rcLYTcG0dz8fvhVOKR500 b2Xw== Received: by 10.52.71.82 with SMTP id s18mr1492303vdu.9.1349867300761; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 04:08:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.107.208 with SMTP id c16ls151485vcp.3.gmail; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 04:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.18.203 with SMTP id y11mr5057600vdd.6.1349867300165; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 04:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.18.203 with SMTP id y11mr5057599vdd.6.1349867300143; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 04:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f194.google.com (mail-vc0-f194.google.com [209.85.220.194]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bn19si50044vdb.0.2012.10.10.04.08.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 10 Oct 2012 04:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.194 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.194; Received: by mail-vc0-f194.google.com with SMTP id fo13so91349vcb.1 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 04:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.21.179 with SMTP id w19mr11042560vde.58.1349867299586; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 04:08:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.89.84 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 04:07:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5074C825.3020507@gmail.com> References: <5073D821.4000701@gmail.com> <5074A776.4080303@gmail.com> <5074C825.3020507@gmail.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 04:07:59 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban Minecraft server To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.194 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307d0678e2c3be04cbb27860 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf307d0678e2c3be04cbb27860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It is a dangling BAI. I frequently use dangling tags. After all, they're implicitly filled with zo'e. In this case, the zo'e refers to the minecraft server. "with [thing-associated-with-you] [[something-contextually-relevant]]". Your suggestion still becomes a dangling tag, because {me sumti moi} and {broda} will form a tanru. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o On 9 October 2012 17:58, vitci'i wrote: > That link is helpful, but I still don't follow how it works in context. > {me sumti moi} should yield a selbri-equivalent element, and {fi'o > selbri} looks like it evaluates to a dangling BAI. Shouldn't it be {fi'o > me do moi broda} or such? > > On 10/09/2012 07:35 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > > No, what I'm saying is definitely correct. {me sumti moi} is legal, and > is > > roughly equivalent to {zo'e ne sumti}. > > > > http://dag.github.com/cll/18/11/ details how it's grammatical without > being > > very precise about the semantics, but I've been saying this in IRC for > > quite some time, after having learned about it from selpa'i. > Unfortunately, > > it seems like no one else knows about it, so I make a point of saying it > to > > spread it :) > > > > .i mi'e la tsani mu'o > > > > On 9 October 2012 15:38, vitci'i wrote: > > > >> lo'ai moi sa'ai me'u le'ai pei > >> > >> On 10/09/2012 05:30 AM, Jacob Errington wrote: > >>> .i dunli lu do'e zo'e ne do li'u > >>> > >>> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o > >>> > >>> On 9 October 2012 00:54, vitci'i wrote: > >>> > >>>> .i mi na jimpe fi zoi .ly. fi'o me do moi .ly. > >>>> > >>>> On 10/08/2012 08:38 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > >>>>> ki'esai uisai .i'e! > >>>>> .i .ai mi zenba lo ka kelci fi'o me do moi > >>>>> > >>>>> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o > >>>>> > >>>>> On 7 October 2012 00:32, nikis wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> coi ro do > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Earlier this week, a discussion happened in #lojban asking about the > >>>>>> current existence of a Lojban Minecraft server. > >>>>>> As far as I was aware, there is currently none running, so I offered > >> to > >>>>>> set one up on one of my servers with spare resources. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It's currently up and running at lojban.omghex.com (no need to > enter > >>>> any > >>>>>> ports, it should automatically detect everything from the SRV > record) > >>>> and > >>>>>> has already been visited by some jbopre. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have also set up a voice chat server at omghex.com using Mumble > >>>>>> (default port) -- so players can choose to communicate using voice > if > >>>> they > >>>>>> wish. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As I am providing the service for free on spare resources, I can > >>>>>> unfortunately not make any guarantees as to the uptime or > availability > >>>> of > >>>>>> this service or commit to a specific period of running this service. > >> But > >>>>>> generally, it should turn out fine :-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> For any administrative requests (user management, game mode changes, > >>>>>> optional plugins which should be installed) feel free to contact me > >>>> here or > >>>>>> through IRC. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> co'o mi'e la nikis > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups > >>>>>> "lojban" group. > >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit > >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/p1tLlcElevgJ. > >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups > >>>> "lojban" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "lojban" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > >> > >> > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf307d0678e2c3be04cbb27860 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is a dangling BAI. I frequently use dangling tags. After all, they'r= e implicitly filled with zo'e. In this case, the zo'e refers to the= minecraft server. "with [thing-associated-with-you] [[something-conte= xtually-relevant]]".=A0

Your suggestion still becomes a dangling tag, because {me su= mti moi} and {broda} will form a tanru.

.i mi'= e la tsani mu'o

On 9 October 2012 17:= 58, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com> wr= ote:
That link is helpful, but I still don't = follow how it works in context.
{me sumti moi} should yield a selbri-equivalent element, and {fi'o
selbri} looks like it evaluates to a dangling BAI. Shouldn't it be {fi&= #39;o
me do moi broda} or such?

On 10/09/2012 07:35 PM, Jacob Errington wrote:
> No, what I'm saying is definitely correct. {me sumti moi} is legal= , and is
> roughly equivalent to {zo'e ne sumti}.
>
> http://= dag.github.com/cll/18/11/ details how it's grammatical without bein= g
> very precise about the semantics, but I've been saying this in IRC= for
> quite some time, after having learned about it from selpa'i. Unfor= tunately,
> it seems like no one else knows about it, so I make a point of saying = it to
> spread it :)
>
> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o
>
> On 9 October 2012 15:38, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> lo'ai moi sa'ai me'u le'ai pei
>>
>> On 10/09/2012 05:30 AM, Jacob Errington wrote:
>>> .i dunli lu do'e zo'e ne do li'u
>>>
>>> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o
>>>
>>> On 9 October 2012 00:54, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> .i mi na jimpe fi zoi .ly. fi'o me do moi .ly.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/08/2012 08:38 PM, Jacob Errington wrote:
>>>>> ki'esai uisai .i'e!
>>>>> .i .ai mi zenba lo ka kelci fi'o me do moi
>>>>>
>>>>> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7 October 2012 00:32, nikis <niekbergman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> coi ro do
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Earlier this week, a discussion happened in #lojba= n asking about the
>>>>>> current existence of a Lojban Minecraft server. >>>>>> As far as I was aware, there is currently none run= ning, so I offered
>> to
>>>>>> set one up on one of my servers with spare resourc= es.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's currently up and running at lojban.omghex.com (no need to= enter
>>>> any
>>>>>> ports, it should automatically detect everything f= rom the SRV record)
>>>> and
>>>>>> has already been visited by some jbopre.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have also set up a voice chat server at omghex.com using Mumble
>>>>>> (default port) -- so players can choose to communi= cate using voice if
>>>> they
>>>>>> wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I am providing the service for free on spare re= sources, I can
>>>>>> unfortunately not make any guarantees as to the up= time or availability
>>>> of
>>>>>> this service or commit to a specific period of run= ning this service.
>> But
>>>>>> generally, it should turn out fine :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For any administrative requests (user management, = game mode changes,
>>>>>> optional plugins which should be installed) feel f= ree to contact me
>>>> here or
>>>>>> through IRC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> co'o mi'e la nikis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscrib= ed to the Google
>>>> Groups
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>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
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>>>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at
>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den= .
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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