Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:60715) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TM3JE-00052B-SB; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:55:25 -0700 Received: by mail-vc0-f189.google.com with SMTP id fl17sf873976vcb.16 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:55:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=8l+LlocBWCigDIsMxFICh/NMt5LlZn4z+D1QuwbUw+E=; b=PHN7f3dUk511I1QZImP4n8qYcBgS12FW43hLescAYhr8+6NYnzpoOYNjy7rsSX3m4d XQx253Ic34O3r11YROkluCByaFwxiVnsJOrn5lbFvl16kJJgYAj1sBejVrkiL2/rGsTc DykJOhBHeUGMZcXvnzVQ+INPC+eoEwomgh03TqSu4flLAL6/BZaEmTMbGFS5Yl68nbnB uoK/c46eVoI5gkM8G1wa9MJzS/sCOdLzOIDlrItYmgQSlLz4ixY4SpMpE0SiSxnXOre+ YI0mHyMG1Rk4HpWQTSrPQKBFJl8s8THx95HdoSwhhpCI6qy59O0PTfwNNsVUTbFTzSAF VSQQ== Received: by 10.52.37.12 with SMTP id u12mr4149508vdj.8.1349902510023; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:55:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.73.72 with SMTP id j8ls825941vdv.7.gmail; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.15.10 with SMTP id t10mr1002677vec.6.1349902509340; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.15.10 with SMTP id t10mr1002676vec.6.1349902509323; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ef10si180899vdb.3.2012.10.10.13.55.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.44; Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id fc26so1073878vbb.31 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:55:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.12.231 with SMTP id b7mr15293919vec.28.1349902509232; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.253.129 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:55:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5051E59B.205@gmx.de> <2388423.coKpO4eTEZ@caracal> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:55:09 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Yacht From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b41bf328b51fe04cbbaabb4 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b41bf328b51fe04cbbaabb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As to a word for "yacht", I'm surprised no one has suggested "balblo" --gejyspa On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Jacob Errington wrote: > I seriously suggest ke / -kem-. In fact, I thought about raising the point > earlier, when I saw {za'i surla kei barda bloti} which is a "(relaxingly > big) boat". > Anyway, I have a more constructive suggestion for "private": what about > {tolgubni} ? > > gubni = x1 is public/jointly owned/accessible to x2. > tolgubni = pei x1 is private, owned/accesible only to x2. > > .i mi'e la tsani mu'o > > > On 14 September 2012 09:35, Betsemes wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jonathan Jones >> wrote: >> > My only objection to the use of sivni is that sivni is private as in >> private >> > thoughts, but I don't really have a better alternative. "Private >> property" >> > isn't property kept hidden or in secret, it's merely something owned by >> an >> > individual (or sometimes a small group of individuals like in the case >> of >> > family-owned and timeshares). But as I said, I don't have any good >> > alternatives- I don't think pukypreposblo is better. >> >> pukypreposblo = pluka ke prenu ponse bloti >> >> The objection I have about this is that a yacht is not necessarily >> private in terms of possession, but it's private in terms of usage. A >> cruise ship holds many passengers which are brought together by a >> cruise ship agency, and many of those passengers most likely don't >> know each other. A yacht may be owned by a yacht charter business, and >> many are; but it's mostly chartered by families or group of friends, >> or maybe even by coworkers; so it's more likely privately *used*. >> >> And yes, that's my uncertainty about sivni; it has "private" on its >> definition, but it seemed to be more about confidentiality althought I >> was not sure. >> >> mu'o mi'e betsemes >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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=A0 As to a word for "yacht", I'm surprised = no one has suggested "balblo"
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On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Jacob Erri= ngton <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
I seriously suggest ke / -kem-. In fact, I t= hought about raising the point earlier, when I saw {za'i surla kei bard= a bloti} which is a "(relaxingly big) boat".
Anyway, I have a more constructive suggestion for "private": what= about {tolgubni} ?

gubni =3D x1 is public/jointly owned/accessible to x2.<= /div>
tolgubni =3D pei x1 is private, owned/accesible only to x2.
=

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 14 September 2012 09:35, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> w= rote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> My only objection to the use of sivni is that sivni is private as in p= rivate
> thoughts, but I don't really have a better alternative. "Priv= ate property"
> isn't property kept hidden or in secret, it's merely something= owned by an
> individual (or sometimes a small group of individuals like in the case= of
> family-owned and timeshares). But as I said, I don't have any good=
> alternatives- I don't think pukypreposblo is better.

pukypreposblo =3D pluka ke prenu ponse bloti

The objection I have about this is that a yacht is not necessarily
private in terms of possession, but it's private in terms of usage. A cruise ship holds many passengers which are brought together by a
cruise ship agency, and many of those passengers most likely don't
know each other. A yacht may be owned by a yacht charter business, and
many are; but it's mostly chartered by families or group of friends, or maybe even by coworkers; so it's more likely privately *used*.

And yes, that's my uncertainty about sivni; it has "private" = on its
definition, but it seemed to be more about confidentiality althought I
was not sure.

mu'o mi'e betsemes

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