Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:58767) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TMH1O-00024Q-29; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:33:54 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f189.google.com with SMTP id 16sf1329276obc.16 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:33:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=fsu/qi2BpBvyFoC+RSxZU831vYw7QAfABQBWPWEXg4E=; b=uu+LDtoocVdKbbMl7BHP4GOUv+eVHjbKCafdgOebbj4iPZ7G3VvsNwN9OGB78R1uNm WcUku9gP6rOdNIj2Ivi4RSno9NpcVpavc3n11W8OCiFVwa/BLSXdsIvSnOhJh0dpl9rR 9AlMSBrPsYVpFmrNC5NAiiTEFuojT+O3FLJKpM+Iy/T4D950r54Pn4M3b3Xnw9vahY7o NgoEQeenkQKx0s1N2DtfAOlG0pR+7YlZXHMWH4vrxrT6fCZRwSu7t9HktcztWxSUiwrH e+8a2xEwC+ufFuyXjE6U1QZkjqjlJa/QmnyPtYXyo/DnXMqL59l0zBv3wxPHbICqJlTj e6Fw== Received: by 10.52.93.132 with SMTP id cu4mr69299vdb.14.1349955219365; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:33:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.16.79 with SMTP id e15ls1109313vdd.6.gmail; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.18.203 with SMTP id y11mr107249vdd.6.1349955218799; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.18.203 with SMTP id y11mr107248vdd.6.1349955218781; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f47.google.com (mail-vb0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s13si289167vde.2.2012.10.11.04.33.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.47; Received: by mail-vb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id ez10so1644318vbb.6 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:33:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.220.7 with SMTP id hw7mr321974vcb.17.1349955218564; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.253.129 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:33:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5051E59B.205@gmx.de> <2388423.coKpO4eTEZ@caracal> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 07:33:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Yacht From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9d24d5443e74804cbc6f133 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --14dae9d24d5443e74804cbc6f133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Which is why I did not say "brablo" Private owership of ANY size boat, even a dinghy, is a "great" thing that would impress others. See definition of banli. --gejyspa On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > As mentioned previously on this thread, size isn't the determining factor > for whether a boat is a yacht, and there are many ships (ex.: cruise ships, > cargo ships, tankers, aircraft carriers) that are big and are /not/ yachts. > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > >> As to a word for "yacht", I'm surprised no one has suggested "balblo" >> --gejyspa >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Jacob Errington wrote: >> >>> I seriously suggest ke / -kem-. In fact, I thought about raising the >>> point earlier, when I saw {za'i surla kei barda bloti} which is a >>> "(relaxingly big) boat". >>> Anyway, I have a more constructive suggestion for "private": what about >>> {tolgubni} ? >>> >>> gubni = x1 is public/jointly owned/accessible to x2. >>> tolgubni = pei x1 is private, owned/accesible only to x2. >>> >>> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o >>> >>> >>> On 14 September 2012 09:35, Betsemes wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jonathan Jones >>>> wrote: >>>> > My only objection to the use of sivni is that sivni is private as in >>>> private >>>> > thoughts, but I don't really have a better alternative. "Private >>>> property" >>>> > isn't property kept hidden or in secret, it's merely something owned >>>> by an >>>> > individual (or sometimes a small group of individuals like in the >>>> case of >>>> > family-owned and timeshares). But as I said, I don't have any good >>>> > alternatives- I don't think pukypreposblo is better. >>>> >>>> pukypreposblo = pluka ke prenu ponse bloti >>>> >>>> The objection I have about this is that a yacht is not necessarily >>>> private in terms of possession, but it's private in terms of usage. A >>>> cruise ship holds many passengers which are brought together by a >>>> cruise ship agency, and many of those passengers most likely don't >>>> know each other. A yacht may be owned by a yacht charter business, and >>>> many are; but it's mostly chartered by families or group of friends, >>>> or maybe even by coworkers; so it's more likely privately *used*. >>>> >>>> And yes, that's my uncertainty about sivni; it has "private" on its >>>> definition, but it seemed to be more about confidentiality althought I >>>> was not sure. >>>> >>>> mu'o mi'e betsemes >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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=A0 Which is why I did not say "brablo" =A0Priva= te owership of ANY size boat, even a dinghy, is a "great" thing t= hat would impress others. =A0See definition of banli.
=A0 =A0 =A0 --gej= yspa


On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Jonatha= n Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
As mentioned previously on this thread, size isn't the determining fact= or for whether a boat is a yacht, and there are many ships (ex.: cruise shi= ps, cargo ships, tankers, aircraft carriers) that are big and are /not/ yac= hts.


On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Michael Tur= niansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 As to a word for "yacht", I'm surprised = no one has suggested "balblo"
=A0 =A0--gejyspa


On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:44 AM, = Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
I seriously suggest ke / -kem-. In fact, I t= hought about raising the point earlier, when I saw {za'i surla kei bard= a bloti} which is a "(relaxingly big) boat".
Anyway, I have a more constructive suggestion for "private": what= about {tolgubni} ?

gubni =3D x1 is public/jointly owned/accessible to x2.<= /div>
tolgubni =3D pei x1 is private, owned/accesible only to x2.
=

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o


On 14 September 2012 09:35, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> w= rote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> My only objection to the use of sivni is that sivni is private as in p= rivate
> thoughts, but I don't really have a better alternative. "Priv= ate property"
> isn't property kept hidden or in secret, it's merely something= owned by an
> individual (or sometimes a small group of individuals like in the case= of
> family-owned and timeshares). But as I said, I don't have any good=
> alternatives- I don't think pukypreposblo is better.

pukypreposblo =3D pluka ke prenu ponse bloti

The objection I have about this is that a yacht is not necessarily
private in terms of possession, but it's private in terms of usage. A cruise ship holds many passengers which are brought together by a
cruise ship agency, and many of those passengers most likely don't
know each other. A yacht may be owned by a yacht charter business, and
many are; but it's mostly chartered by families or group of friends, or maybe even by coworkers; so it's more likely privately *used*.

And yes, that's my uncertainty about sivni; it has "private" = on its
definition, but it seemed to be more about confidentiality althought I
was not sure.

mu'o mi'e betsemes

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