Received: from mail-ea0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:64939) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TNmnQ-0007LJ-UW; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:41:49 -0700 Received: by mail-ea0-f189.google.com with SMTP id l12sf1300838eaa.16 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:41:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id :date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+pYIOLEpVk3Q4/BthFnuf6dtwKoKud1IbWrz+Uo3HDQ=; b=cu31fdA0PB+t6+1pUDw5LmvdSdYjmCLV86xoPRwLLMG2IXdoRVuGBacXxWXozFr+QJ xIsuJMxwpqWmEWaiNSK+z9MjdUcY8JDTctB7iVYzvfWSM9uMA9dW6EwD0dVF7o+LP1mN ibCLOw2nKhmDT2uRER0Jvi/CNJyVSHaPv9b7igzLcFv/IVbAvVV6AtenRS8O+d+dsjzi 5Zx027vZqFA27C655+raTI2UPXlIlQ9q6v8N3HTHUhSRUxfVKMfgTtfZ82DUhbXGQi9R qOApdB7pxbVXcPdFrGtTVoAHwDhdwlRFUNSN/dx+pRTaoU7YRjBC6340hHxXQSMGCogW ncbA== Received: by 10.180.104.232 with SMTP id gh8mr1879597wib.3.1350315689205; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:41:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.107.137 with SMTP id hc9ls7804434wib.4.canary; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.84.234 with SMTP id c10mr2779345wiz.4.1350315688282; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.84.234 with SMTP id c10mr2779344wiz.4.1350315688271; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net. [213.165.64.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id k11si842367wiv.0.2012.10.15.08.41.28; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.22; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Oct 2012 15:41:00 -0000 Received: from p57A08346.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.131.70] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 15 Oct 2012 17:41:00 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19bj2112+Bbew+/EZzCFurVyrbyP4Y7j3z3I9X15y aNhwN7UJYR+V2g Message-ID: <507C2E87.7010700@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:40:55 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Can the inconsistency with {seisa'a ... se'u} be overrriden? References: In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Am 15.10.2012 17:29, schrieb la gleki: > the CLL says: > > Note: The parser believes that parentheses are attached to the previous > word or construct, because it treats them as syntactic equivalents of > subscripts and other such so-called =E2=80=9Cfree modifiers=E2=80=9D. Sem= antically, > however, parenthetical remarks are not necessarily attached either to > what precedes them or what follows them. > > ...12.8) lu seisa'a la djan. cusku be dei mi klama le zarci > > John said, =E2=80=9CI go to the store=E2=80=9D. > > 12.9) lu mi klama seisa'a la djan cusku le zarci > =E2=80=9CI go=E2=80=9D, John said, =E2=80=9Cto the store=E2=80=9D= . > > > > So is there any method of attaching sei ... se'u to bridi or jufra, not > to the previous word? SEI doesn't attach to the previous word semantically. It works just like=20 COI in that regard. The quote above from the CLL says the same. It's a=20 free modifier that floats around in the bridi. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.